I was surprised to learn that everything wrong with the country was due to "Kamala Harris's policies." I could have sworn Congress had something to do with it. If a VP has the power Vance attributes to the office, no WONDER he has changed his mind about trump in order to get into the position.
Yes! Absolutely! They keep saying she’s had 3.5 years to do this and that… And of course, 45 had his full four year term to do whatever and then they lie as though his record is replete with accomplishments… Your comment nails a key point!
And 45's four years was as President, not VP. VPs are somewhat like first ladies (or gentlemen): They are allowed to pick a project or two and confine themselves to that. Biden was a bit unusual in that he made the effort to include Kamala in oval office daily briefings and allowed her to take a more active role, but she was still VP.
The sad thing is that in response to "what's 45's excuse?" the answers which lead us to believe he wasn't set up enough or too new to politics to get enough done also lead us to believe he'll be able to take us far further down the road to destruction than he did the first time.
I was waiting for Tim to say, Look, JD, both of us know the job of VP isn’t worth a pitcher of warm spit, as another VP once said. Policy is not set by vice presidents. My history students know that. Why don’t you?
I was also waiting for Walz to call Vance by his first name after JD started calling him by first name. Walz maybe forgot he was basically debating an adolescent, though a very clever one.
I'll add my two cents now. I got what I needed, I've never heard Tim Walz, speak, and he didn't disappoint. He looks like the kind of guy you'd see in the mall from late November til Xmas Eve, with the long white hair and curly beard. He was polite, gentlemanly, kind, and honest. His closing remarks were his best. He did attempt to answer the questions.
JD didn't disappoint either, he came across as the snake oil salesman he is. He lied and lied, then he doubled down and lied some more. What annoyed me most was he talked as though Kamala had been President these past 3 + years - even called it the Harris Biden administration. I think Tim should have taken umbrage at that.
What's more not even Joe Biden, who has been a damned good President can write laws - that is the sole prerogative of the Congressional Branch. Furthermore the writing of Executive Orders is the exclusive privilege of the President - not extended to the Vice President.
I fervently wish Americans would read their own Constitution. It is very short, less than 30 pages has been translated from 18th Century English to modern English and while it's not an illustrated comic book it is still relatively easy to understand.
When Alito, Kavanaugh, Roberts, and Thomas say they are determining what the Framer's really meant - they are flat out lying (just like trump and vance) They don't like what is written so they choose to see what the want it to say. Just because they sit on the highest Court in the land doesn't mean they don't lie.
My main reaction: 2 middle aged white guys being pleasant to each other while trashing each other’s bosses. One lied a lot while projecting aggression and blaming immigrants and Harris for just about anything wrong in the world. The other solves problems to help everyone. Will it change the election? Nope.
Some of you may recall that during the Trump Administration I predicted that somewhere out there was a young high functioning sociopath carefully taking notes and plotting on how he can become the dictator of the United States with a more polished presentation while avoiding the obvious incompetencies that were manifest in the orange turd.
there were those few times when Vance, who is a human maggot, omigod...I'm watching MSNBC and they're making the same point...Vance looked like a rodent, although I'm not completely sure which one. I'm also going through the WB cartoon characters in my head to see if there's a fit.
what a piece of shit this guy is...nothing but insane lies. Walz is a very good guy. it was exactly what I expected. the "moderation" was pathetic.
this ridiculous "debate" is, indeed, a waste of time. but it DID demonstrate that Vance is a lying prick who can actually SEEM to function like a halfway normal human being. this makes him dangerous.
I want to do a tag team thing with that baseball bat. how about it, Tom?
What I hate, HATE, is that these debates are NOT debates. They are just raid fire press conferences that put the reporters front and center. We need DEBATES! State a proposition and defend it or oppose it. Given them half an hour at least to get ideas out. And that will eliminate stupid fuc£# gotcha questions. Ask these guys to signal to the world what they are going to do about Iran? Give me a break. No responsible politician would answer that. And waste 5 minutes on whether Walz was in Hong Kong in July or August? Really? (Gosh I wish he had owned up on being a goof sooner.) It’s all so aggravating.
I watched with the sound off whilst eating a grilled cheese sandwich but I caught the the mic shut off. If Tim had stayed silent it would have been perfect. But hey, it was still a beautiful moment. I found the moderators hair and makeup scarily precise, like a high wind would have gone right through them and not moved a hair. Same with Vance. Is it just me or did his ears seem pointed...? Mischievous malevolent imp. He gives elves and Vulcans a bad name. Fresh haircut for Tim took away a little of the friendly vibe but at least it was real. Walz was real. Vance was a gold sprayed rat turd. He looked good but with the sound off you could smell the odiferous falsehoods wafting from his smirking mouth.
All in all I’m glad I stayed up till 4am in Wales to watch. I think it might mobilise some women for the dems. TFG and Prance lovers are a lost cause. Their karma is eating away at what is left of their tiny souls as I type. 30ish days, fasten your seatbelts. I predict a very bumpy ride but a narrow squeak and a new start... 🎼💙🎶
Does J. D. stand for Justa Dick??
Karen wins the intertoobz!
Well I just saw Andy Borowitz called him Justa Dick too. I guess we’ll have to share the intertoobz 😹
Oh, I thought it stood for Jizz Davenport!!!
I laughed out loud.
I was surprised to learn that everything wrong with the country was due to "Kamala Harris's policies." I could have sworn Congress had something to do with it. If a VP has the power Vance attributes to the office, no WONDER he has changed his mind about trump in order to get into the position.
Also, could Vance name ANY VP who ever pushed THEIR policies as VP???????
Yes! Absolutely! They keep saying she’s had 3.5 years to do this and that… And of course, 45 had his full four year term to do whatever and then they lie as though his record is replete with accomplishments… Your comment nails a key point!
So when are we going to talk about the failures of the Pence Administration? 🤣
And 45's four years was as President, not VP. VPs are somewhat like first ladies (or gentlemen): They are allowed to pick a project or two and confine themselves to that. Biden was a bit unusual in that he made the effort to include Kamala in oval office daily briefings and allowed her to take a more active role, but she was still VP.
The sad thing is that in response to "what's 45's excuse?" the answers which lead us to believe he wasn't set up enough or too new to politics to get enough done also lead us to believe he'll be able to take us far further down the road to destruction than he did the first time.
I was waiting for Tim to say, Look, JD, both of us know the job of VP isn’t worth a pitcher of warm spit, as another VP once said. Policy is not set by vice presidents. My history students know that. Why don’t you?
I was also waiting for Walz to call Vance by his first name after JD started calling him by first name. Walz maybe forgot he was basically debating an adolescent, though a very clever one.
Vance states lies as fact. Unfortunately, he’s pretty good at it
Shame was not something he inherited from anyone who raised his fake ass
I'll add my two cents now. I got what I needed, I've never heard Tim Walz, speak, and he didn't disappoint. He looks like the kind of guy you'd see in the mall from late November til Xmas Eve, with the long white hair and curly beard. He was polite, gentlemanly, kind, and honest. His closing remarks were his best. He did attempt to answer the questions.
JD didn't disappoint either, he came across as the snake oil salesman he is. He lied and lied, then he doubled down and lied some more. What annoyed me most was he talked as though Kamala had been President these past 3 + years - even called it the Harris Biden administration. I think Tim should have taken umbrage at that.
What's more not even Joe Biden, who has been a damned good President can write laws - that is the sole prerogative of the Congressional Branch. Furthermore the writing of Executive Orders is the exclusive privilege of the President - not extended to the Vice President.
I fervently wish Americans would read their own Constitution. It is very short, less than 30 pages has been translated from 18th Century English to modern English and while it's not an illustrated comic book it is still relatively easy to understand.
When Alito, Kavanaugh, Roberts, and Thomas say they are determining what the Framer's really meant - they are flat out lying (just like trump and vance) They don't like what is written so they choose to see what the want it to say. Just because they sit on the highest Court in the land doesn't mean they don't lie.
💙💙💙💙💙 (applause and cheering!) agree, 100%
thank you.
This blurry-eyed morning, I read your last sentence as ""Just because they shit on the highest court in the land..." An apropos mental typo.
LOL, thanks - I needed to laugh this morning
My main reaction: 2 middle aged white guys being pleasant to each other while trashing each other’s bosses. One lied a lot while projecting aggression and blaming immigrants and Harris for just about anything wrong in the world. The other solves problems to help everyone. Will it change the election? Nope.
If Vance actually believes in improving support for families, why hasn’t he done anything in that direction as Senator?
He sounds so reasonable when he lies. Creep.
Makes him all the more scary
The M.O. of a professional liar
Yup. Debates of this kind come easy for people who you don’t greatly care about reality.
or other sentient beings ....
Some of you may recall that during the Trump Administration I predicted that somewhere out there was a young high functioning sociopath carefully taking notes and plotting on how he can become the dictator of the United States with a more polished presentation while avoiding the obvious incompetencies that were manifest in the orange turd.
It’s Vance!!! 🤦🏻♂️
I am so sorry that you were/are right, Gary. JD is a monster's monster.
Can't stand the lying creep another second.
there were those few times when Vance, who is a human maggot, omigod...I'm watching MSNBC and they're making the same point...Vance looked like a rodent, although I'm not completely sure which one. I'm also going through the WB cartoon characters in my head to see if there's a fit.
what a piece of shit this guy is...nothing but insane lies. Walz is a very good guy. it was exactly what I expected. the "moderation" was pathetic.
this ridiculous "debate" is, indeed, a waste of time. but it DID demonstrate that Vance is a lying prick who can actually SEEM to function like a halfway normal human being. this makes him dangerous.
I want to do a tag team thing with that baseball bat. how about it, Tom?
I saw that rodent comparison too. I prefer the rodent over that slimy creeper.
Vance is full of shit and basically unconvincing on anything. Walz is solid but he's nervous.
What I hate, HATE, is that these debates are NOT debates. They are just raid fire press conferences that put the reporters front and center. We need DEBATES! State a proposition and defend it or oppose it. Given them half an hour at least to get ideas out. And that will eliminate stupid fuc£# gotcha questions. Ask these guys to signal to the world what they are going to do about Iran? Give me a break. No responsible politician would answer that. And waste 5 minutes on whether Walz was in Hong Kong in July or August? Really? (Gosh I wish he had owned up on being a goof sooner.) It’s all so aggravating.
It’s not actually doing anything…
True dat. This isn't September 10, but Vance isn't as stupid as Trump.
I watched with the sound off whilst eating a grilled cheese sandwich but I caught the the mic shut off. If Tim had stayed silent it would have been perfect. But hey, it was still a beautiful moment. I found the moderators hair and makeup scarily precise, like a high wind would have gone right through them and not moved a hair. Same with Vance. Is it just me or did his ears seem pointed...? Mischievous malevolent imp. He gives elves and Vulcans a bad name. Fresh haircut for Tim took away a little of the friendly vibe but at least it was real. Walz was real. Vance was a gold sprayed rat turd. He looked good but with the sound off you could smell the odiferous falsehoods wafting from his smirking mouth.
All in all I’m glad I stayed up till 4am in Wales to watch. I think it might mobilise some women for the dems. TFG and Prance lovers are a lost cause. Their karma is eating away at what is left of their tiny souls as I type. 30ish days, fasten your seatbelts. I predict a very bumpy ride but a narrow squeak and a new start... 🎼💙🎶
Feels like Halloween came early with JD wearing a Walz costume over his ghoulish self.
I want my 90 minutes back.