OK, I'll lead off..... They are morons, in the sense they have no idea what Putin is doing or why. He does not really want Ukraine - he is trying to reach Romania and Poland to plug geographic gaps that have served as routes to invade Russia in the past. The only way we will be able to avoid a war between Russia and NATO (which will involve us directly) is to bleed the Russian army dry in Ukraine and eliminate Russia's ability to wage aggressive war on its neighbors for a generation. If Ukraine cannot defend itself, the chance of a general nuclear exchange goes up by an order of magnitude, as the war with NATO will almost certainly follow so Putin can close those gaps. For him, and for Russia, this IS an existential fight. The Europeans thought they had bought off Hitler by sacrificing the Sudetenland and then Czechoslovakia. We know how well that worked out.....
I suppose these fucking morons think we could have negotiated with Hitler too. They really think we can negotiate with Putin??? Who happens to have an arrest warrant for War Crimes?? And continues to slaughter innocent civilians. And he won’t stop with Ukraine. Have they been eating the ice cream too fast resulting in severe brain freeze? Culminating in relentless stupidity?
The only negotiation with Russia should be to spell out exactly how fast and by what procedures they need to follow when getting the f*** out of Ukraine - disarming, leaving their weaponry, arriving at assembly points for their 'escort' out of the country, processing of war crime suspects and suppressing any Russian soldier/mercenary who so much as gives a dirty look to Ukrainian forces and authorities.
Perhaps our view of the political world shouldn't be considered as linear with one end the Left and the other the Right. One could view that world as orbital, where the perigee (nearest sanity and reason) and the apogee (furthest from sanity and reason), and the extremes merge at the apogee and become indistinguishable from each other. Just a thought that I don't have the time to expand on.
Welp, I'm all for spending money on "....Medicare for all and preventing lead poisoning" and "...more social programs for the United States of America..." The question I have: are all these yahoos paying up their fair share of taxes? Or are they loop-holing their way through the system? (Full disclosure, never was a fan of Ben and Jerry's)
Your Loony Left, so similar to ours, assisting the the right with their radical self delusion.
As for that Fritz dude, claiming "“When we won the Cold War, we said we would not expand NATO." Won? WE? Excuse me, do the UK, Germany, France, and other NATO member countries not have intelligence agencies? Do they not meet to discuss, then vote on whether a country is offered and accepted for membership to the group? That ignorant and arrogant attitude from some puffed up has-been Foghorn Leghorn in parade dress is exactly what most irritates America's friends.
Not sure what "far left" means. But the thinking from this crew sounds like a rejected cartoon from the "Far Side". Putin is no joke. And "giving him something" is the WORST possible thing to do. Beasts only respect force and power.
Meanwhile, based on a letter from Diane Francis a few days ago, Putin's star is fading. If we stay strong, he will be history soon.
It sounds to me that EMN/Ben & Jerry's are arguing that Putin's invasion of Ukraine is justified because NATO expanded to include additional countries, countries which sought admission to NATO.
They should do a daily read on the Institute of the Study of War.
Maybe crack a history book on
the formation of NATO: North American Treaty "Organization". <--key word right there, means more than 1. United Nations, please note the plural. If they
can't understand the importance
of Ukraine 🇺🇦 in this "special operation" of Putin's, what his
Back to making ice cream Ben and Jerry! Again we see people with excessive wealth straying into area about which they know nothing. Negotiate??? How naive! The war criminal Putin can end the war this instant, but his sociopathic ego won’t allow that!
'...the Far Left has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity, which is why they will never take power.' (TC) Okay, 'the Far Left', who are they? The title here 'WHEN THE LEFT BECOMES THE RIGHT' is a bit too broad in my opinion. We don't know the number of leftists or left-leaning voters who oppose military help to Ukraine, do we.
'The electoral left parties — Green Party, Peace and Freedom Party (in California), Socialist Workers Party, and Socialist Party — receive few votes, a tiny percentage of the total. The Communist Party USA has not run any candidates since the 1990s.'
'The broad American left extends from the leftwing of the Democratic Party, through the left electoral parties (Greens, P&F, etc.), to the socialist organizations and sects, to the social movements. The U.S. labor movement cannot be included in the left, since it generally does not take left positions and does not participate in or solidarize itself with social movements. The leaders of the Democratic Party’s left, who consider themselves socialist, Senator Bernie Sanders and Congressmembers known as “the squad” — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush — all voted for the bills to finance military aid to Ukraine.'
'The largest organized socialist group in the United States is the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) which claims 90,000 members. DSA is not a political party and does not run candidates for office, but it does support candidates, most of them running for non-partisan positions or as Democrats. DSA has proven incapable of organizing serious political discussions and debates, so it is difficult to know what its members actually think on many issues. DSA has, however, taken a position opposing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but also opposing military aid to Ukraine. DSA expresses no support for Ukrainian self-determination or its right to protect its territorial integrity. The Communist Party, the second largest left organization in the United States, has taken a similar position, criticizing Russia’s invasion but also opposing further military support to Ukraine. Other smaller leftist organizations such as the Party of Socialism and Liberation have also taken a similar position, though leaning toward support for Russia. Among the smaller organizations on the Trotskyist left one finds the argument that the U.S. and NATO are responsible for the war, sometimes without criticism of Russia. As one can see, campist and even neo-Stalinist politics are common in the American left today.
Other groups oppose the Russian invasion and support the Russian anti-war movement, but see the war as an inter-imperialist conflict and are critical of Ukraine accepting arms from other nations.' (Dan La Botz/Medium)
So, I don't think it makes sense to be concerned that 'the left' represents a meaningful bloc against US' military support for Ukraine.
WHEN THE LEFT BECOMES THE RIGHT
OK, I'll lead off..... They are morons, in the sense they have no idea what Putin is doing or why. He does not really want Ukraine - he is trying to reach Romania and Poland to plug geographic gaps that have served as routes to invade Russia in the past. The only way we will be able to avoid a war between Russia and NATO (which will involve us directly) is to bleed the Russian army dry in Ukraine and eliminate Russia's ability to wage aggressive war on its neighbors for a generation. If Ukraine cannot defend itself, the chance of a general nuclear exchange goes up by an order of magnitude, as the war with NATO will almost certainly follow so Putin can close those gaps. For him, and for Russia, this IS an existential fight. The Europeans thought they had bought off Hitler by sacrificing the Sudetenland and then Czechoslovakia. We know how well that worked out.....
I suppose these fucking morons think we could have negotiated with Hitler too. They really think we can negotiate with Putin??? Who happens to have an arrest warrant for War Crimes?? And continues to slaughter innocent civilians. And he won’t stop with Ukraine. Have they been eating the ice cream too fast resulting in severe brain freeze? Culminating in relentless stupidity?
The only negotiation with Russia should be to spell out exactly how fast and by what procedures they need to follow when getting the f*** out of Ukraine - disarming, leaving their weaponry, arriving at assembly points for their 'escort' out of the country, processing of war crime suspects and suppressing any Russian soldier/mercenary who so much as gives a dirty look to Ukrainian forces and authorities.
Perhaps our view of the political world shouldn't be considered as linear with one end the Left and the other the Right. One could view that world as orbital, where the perigee (nearest sanity and reason) and the apogee (furthest from sanity and reason), and the extremes merge at the apogee and become indistinguishable from each other. Just a thought that I don't have the time to expand on.
Welp, I'm all for spending money on "....Medicare for all and preventing lead poisoning" and "...more social programs for the United States of America..." The question I have: are all these yahoos paying up their fair share of taxes? Or are they loop-holing their way through the system? (Full disclosure, never was a fan of Ben and Jerry's)
Your Loony Left, so similar to ours, assisting the the right with their radical self delusion.
As for that Fritz dude, claiming "“When we won the Cold War, we said we would not expand NATO." Won? WE? Excuse me, do the UK, Germany, France, and other NATO member countries not have intelligence agencies? Do they not meet to discuss, then vote on whether a country is offered and accepted for membership to the group? That ignorant and arrogant attitude from some puffed up has-been Foghorn Leghorn in parade dress is exactly what most irritates America's friends.
They are fucking bonkers. I have descended back into incoherent profanity.
I think I'll go spend tomorrow at a local high school band festival.
Just goes to show - dumbasses on both sides - sometimes hard to choose which ones are dumber!
Holy Schitt, just when I think the Dems look brilliant along side repubs, some fools try to prove they are just as moronic…. WTF
Not sure what "far left" means. But the thinking from this crew sounds like a rejected cartoon from the "Far Side". Putin is no joke. And "giving him something" is the WORST possible thing to do. Beasts only respect force and power.
Meanwhile, based on a letter from Diane Francis a few days ago, Putin's star is fading. If we stay strong, he will be history soon.
It sounds to me that EMN/Ben & Jerry's are arguing that Putin's invasion of Ukraine is justified because NATO expanded to include additional countries, countries which sought admission to NATO.
No more B and J ice cream for me!
They should do a daily read on the Institute of the Study of War.
Maybe crack a history book on
the formation of NATO: North American Treaty "Organization". <--key word right there, means more than 1. United Nations, please note the plural. If they
can't understand the importance
of Ukraine 🇺🇦 in this "special operation" of Putin's, what his
ultimate goals are, they should
just crawl right into a freezer
full of B & J and pull the lid
closed.
Back to making ice cream Ben and Jerry! Again we see people with excessive wealth straying into area about which they know nothing. Negotiate??? How naive! The war criminal Putin can end the war this instant, but his sociopathic ego won’t allow that!
'...the Far Left has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity, which is why they will never take power.' (TC) Okay, 'the Far Left', who are they? The title here 'WHEN THE LEFT BECOMES THE RIGHT' is a bit too broad in my opinion. We don't know the number of leftists or left-leaning voters who oppose military help to Ukraine, do we.
'The electoral left parties — Green Party, Peace and Freedom Party (in California), Socialist Workers Party, and Socialist Party — receive few votes, a tiny percentage of the total. The Communist Party USA has not run any candidates since the 1990s.'
'The broad American left extends from the leftwing of the Democratic Party, through the left electoral parties (Greens, P&F, etc.), to the socialist organizations and sects, to the social movements. The U.S. labor movement cannot be included in the left, since it generally does not take left positions and does not participate in or solidarize itself with social movements. The leaders of the Democratic Party’s left, who consider themselves socialist, Senator Bernie Sanders and Congressmembers known as “the squad” — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush — all voted for the bills to finance military aid to Ukraine.'
'The largest organized socialist group in the United States is the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) which claims 90,000 members. DSA is not a political party and does not run candidates for office, but it does support candidates, most of them running for non-partisan positions or as Democrats. DSA has proven incapable of organizing serious political discussions and debates, so it is difficult to know what its members actually think on many issues. DSA has, however, taken a position opposing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but also opposing military aid to Ukraine. DSA expresses no support for Ukrainian self-determination or its right to protect its territorial integrity. The Communist Party, the second largest left organization in the United States, has taken a similar position, criticizing Russia’s invasion but also opposing further military support to Ukraine. Other smaller leftist organizations such as the Party of Socialism and Liberation have also taken a similar position, though leaning toward support for Russia. Among the smaller organizations on the Trotskyist left one finds the argument that the U.S. and NATO are responsible for the war, sometimes without criticism of Russia. As one can see, campist and even neo-Stalinist politics are common in the American left today.
Other groups oppose the Russian invasion and support the Russian anti-war movement, but see the war as an inter-imperialist conflict and are critical of Ukraine accepting arms from other nations.' (Dan La Botz/Medium)
So, I don't think it makes sense to be concerned that 'the left' represents a meaningful bloc against US' military support for Ukraine.
https://danlabotz.medium.com/the-american-left-and-ukraine-9f17d084f68a
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