Won't happen because Dems are their own worst enemy. The court is illegitimate, and Biden has had years to do something about it. He hasn't. Playing "nice" is also giving up and waiting for the execution squads and the internment camps.
SCOTUS is doing all it can to do the work of Heritage and project 2025 in case Trump loses. They wouldnt need to if they were confidant that he was going to win.
Not in the Constitution. And certainly NOT in any written law. Just in the minds of the wacko fascists - if you tell a BIG lie loud enough and often enough, people will believe it - straight out of Goebbels handbook.
The decision didn't define what was outside official acts (core and peripheral), and it's going to be hard for Trump to argue that his conspiring, insurrection, fake elector schemes, and calling Georgia, are official acts, rather than personal / private. To my mind he's not off the hook at all - but he has bought more time, yet again.
Hopefully Judge Chutkan will say "Thank you SCOTUS, but Trump isn't on trial in my court for any core official acts, because core official acts aren't crimes. So on with the show."
I'm not actually sure how else they could have ruled. Lots of officials (both elected and appointed) in a wide range of countries are given immunity from being sued or charged for decisions and actions that are part of the job - even if they do them badly, and/or third parties are adversely affected.
Now if Trump successfully argues that ALL his actions to try and hang on to the presidency were official acts, including incitement to riot, creating fake electors, and leaning on Georgia, then you really do have a problem. But until that happens I don't think the dude has had a huge win.
Same with the classified documents case ... Trump has broken clear laws in relation to documents, and taking them to Mar-a-Lago cannot be an "official act" just because a former president thought it was, or wanted to do it, or something. Basically an official act can't break a federal law - or even a state one - it would seem to me.
Since you don't mention being a lawyer, you may want to reconsider that decision not to take that remedial class in reading comprehension. The vote counting points are seemingly outside of "official acts." As to the rest, everything in the Constitution regarding the Article II powers refutes what "other countries may do," most of them not being democracies.
But of course SCOTUS did this! Three of them are in tRump's pocket, two of them are doing their billionaire masters' and the Heritage Foundation's bidding and the sixth has no balls. This is the Roberts Court, Ladies and Gents - as shameful a Supreme Court as we've seen in our collective lifetimes.
by "collective lifetimes," do you mean consecutive or concurrent? because this is the worst court in history, period. if you disagree with THAT, you have to agree it's the most DANGEROUS.
The corrupt bribe taking judges just overturned almost 250 years of precedent. They made this shit up! Just tear up the Constitution and set the pieces on fire. This pisses me off even more than overturning Roe.
Ok, let's do this for starters. Biden throws off the court Thomas, Alito, Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch. Official act--immunity. Oh my God!
Here's the truth as I see it: There is ONE QUESTION on the ballot in 2024. Do you the voter choose Democracy or as Robert Kagan labels it Anti-democracy? Everything else will unfold from THIS vote. EVERYTHING. A vote for ANY gop candidate from the top of the ballot to the bottom is a vote for anti-democracy and the foreclosure on all the hopes and dreams you may still hold for yourself, your family, community, future generations. I am not fearful for the future. Rather, I am determined there will be a future for YOU and all others and this planet. The so-called "scotus" has been preparing the ground for minority governance shaped by Fascist ideology. It did not begin yesterday. Why else would a raft of right wing organizations have been founded during the first reagan administration? The democratic party is far from perfect but their candidates are supporters and defenders of democracy and therefore defenders of our nation as free and independent. Hard work is needed now. Not panic. As Jen Rubin has said so well, "GET A GRIP"! We have a President and an administration doing really good work for ALL Americans. Can they do better? Yes! But they need majorities in the House AND the Senate. And WE need President Biden and VP Harris in the White House. Project 2025 must be torn up. Let's begin by being clear that our votes must be for democracy first.
I posted a Biden ad of January 6th with this heading on fb:
"The U.S. Supreme Court ruled today that the president has immunity from prosecution, even when, especially when, he attempts to destroy our democracy. Vote for Democtrats or you will never vote again."
"The U.S. Supreme Court ruled today that the president has immunity from prosecution, even when, especially when, he attempts to destroy our democracy. Vote for Democrats or you will never vote again."
Does the decision say or imply this? The Court was asked to decide whether a (former) president has immunity from charges when performing official acts. I'm not sure how else the could have ruled on that. Do you want the children of Osama bin Laden to come after Obama for knocking off their dad?
But they haven't determined that the insurrection or fake elector scheme were official acts - it was returned to the district court.
"She [Judge Chutkan] will have to listen anew to Trump’s lawyers argue why this decision absolves their client from any criminal charges brought against him, but it seems unlikely that she will rule that the charges involving fake electors or Trump’s attempts to get state legislators and officials to overturn the election results in their states were official acts."
Which is pretty-much what I have said in this thread - twice.
(1) Judge Chutkan can being more-or-less straight away to being to test all the evidence, put all witnesses on the stand under oath - all before the election;
(2) It might steel more voters to vote Democrat - voting against this utterly rogue Supreme Court, and the threat of an immune corrupt President Trump going feral in a lame-duck term.
I must have ESP. Predicted that the SC would wipe the debate off the headlines. Immunity for official acts, if that isn’t the biggest crock of crap ever cooked up.
TC will help maintain my/our sanity. I was so angry yesterday when I read some of the comments on Substack(s). I’d posted a neutral comment/link encouraging people to read the debate transcript (that was gaslighting according to one PBW!) along with encouraging people to do whatever was in their comfort zone to boost Biden, flip the House and hold the Senate.Other PBW’s also chimed in…and don’t get me started on those “diagnosing” Biden with Parkinson’s .!😡
And we can help each other maintain our sanity as well. We're all in this together. And it sounds like you're doing your part to encourage people to work on those things we need to do to make sure the Democratic Party stays in control.
“There will be no help and a lot of hurt from the Vichy Democrats in the Professional Bed Wetter’s Caucus, who would have told Churchill he must surrender after Dunkirk.”
Effing Right TC. Damn Trump and ALL Republicans and this Sack of despotic radicals.
And damn the Democrats of Convenience! It's Joe or Surrender! The mongrels are coming for all of us and will pick off the dilettantes first, so wake the fuck up!
Fortunately, Tom. Judge Chutkin is NOT brain dead Judge loose Cannon. She 'might' throw out ONE indictment - that he tried to appoint Jeff Clark to save his sorry ass. Presidents are allowed to appoint - with the advice and consent of the Senate anyone they damned well please. But pressuring your Vice President to throw out officially signed (by the State Governors) legal ballots has NEVER been an official duty of any President. Until the trumpster, every single President (except those who died in office) has graciously welcomed their incoming replacement. Nothing else with which he is charged comes within 10 miles of an official duty.
Judge Tanya Chutkin read those indictments last year when she first received them. She might re-review a few,but he is a reasonable judge, she won't drag her feet and if at all possible she will clear her calendar to get the trial started. There's no place else for baby dumbo the trumpster to appeal - tough patooties - you are toast.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but go read Justice Sotomayor's dissent. The court's decision here has likely made what you are hoping for impossible.
This is excellent news. Now, Biden has every right to arrest Trump, charge him with treason, and put his fat motherfucking ass into Gitmo.
I like that, very very much.
I was thinking that Biden should hire someone to take out Roberts, Alito & Thomas and claim immunity.
Seal Team 64, where ARE you???
Won't happen because Dems are their own worst enemy. The court is illegitimate, and Biden has had years to do something about it. He hasn't. Playing "nice" is also giving up and waiting for the execution squads and the internment camps.
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Fuck. I don't know what else to say right now. Just fuck!
Which says it all.
I concur
Me too.
SCOTUS is doing all it can to do the work of Heritage and project 2025 in case Trump loses. They wouldnt need to if they were confidant that he was going to win.
More later. But you're right! Get off your ass, on your feet and work like hell to re-elect President Biden, keep the Senate, re-take the house.
This is like putting one solitary bucket of water on a five-alarm blaze. Too little, too late.
OMG. After Chevron, this! Trump is a danger to our democracy. It’s all hands on deck. ❤️🤍💙
Would someone please show me where “inciting a coup to subvert the results of an election” is found in a list of official presidential duties.
Not in the Constitution. And certainly NOT in any written law. Just in the minds of the wacko fascists - if you tell a BIG lie loud enough and often enough, people will believe it - straight out of Goebbels handbook.
I just posted the same thing! I don’t understand this position at all!
The decision didn't define what was outside official acts (core and peripheral), and it's going to be hard for Trump to argue that his conspiring, insurrection, fake elector schemes, and calling Georgia, are official acts, rather than personal / private. To my mind he's not off the hook at all - but he has bought more time, yet again.
Hopefully Judge Chutkan will say "Thank you SCOTUS, but Trump isn't on trial in my court for any core official acts, because core official acts aren't crimes. So on with the show."
I'm not actually sure how else they could have ruled. Lots of officials (both elected and appointed) in a wide range of countries are given immunity from being sued or charged for decisions and actions that are part of the job - even if they do them badly, and/or third parties are adversely affected.
Now if Trump successfully argues that ALL his actions to try and hang on to the presidency were official acts, including incitement to riot, creating fake electors, and leaning on Georgia, then you really do have a problem. But until that happens I don't think the dude has had a huge win.
Same with the classified documents case ... Trump has broken clear laws in relation to documents, and taking them to Mar-a-Lago cannot be an "official act" just because a former president thought it was, or wanted to do it, or something. Basically an official act can't break a federal law - or even a state one - it would seem to me.
Since you don't mention being a lawyer, you may want to reconsider that decision not to take that remedial class in reading comprehension. The vote counting points are seemingly outside of "official acts." As to the rest, everything in the Constitution regarding the Article II powers refutes what "other countries may do," most of them not being democracies.
Trump was not president when he took the documents and refused to return them and had them hidden, some still missing.
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But of course SCOTUS did this! Three of them are in tRump's pocket, two of them are doing their billionaire masters' and the Heritage Foundation's bidding and the sixth has no balls. This is the Roberts Court, Ladies and Gents - as shameful a Supreme Court as we've seen in our collective lifetimes.
by "collective lifetimes," do you mean consecutive or concurrent? because this is the worst court in history, period. if you disagree with THAT, you have to agree it's the most DANGEROUS.
Worse than Taney!
The corrupt bribe taking judges just overturned almost 250 years of precedent. They made this shit up! Just tear up the Constitution and set the pieces on fire. This pisses me off even more than overturning Roe.
Ok, let's do this for starters. Biden throws off the court Thomas, Alito, Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch. Official act--immunity. Oh my God!
Here's the truth as I see it: There is ONE QUESTION on the ballot in 2024. Do you the voter choose Democracy or as Robert Kagan labels it Anti-democracy? Everything else will unfold from THIS vote. EVERYTHING. A vote for ANY gop candidate from the top of the ballot to the bottom is a vote for anti-democracy and the foreclosure on all the hopes and dreams you may still hold for yourself, your family, community, future generations. I am not fearful for the future. Rather, I am determined there will be a future for YOU and all others and this planet. The so-called "scotus" has been preparing the ground for minority governance shaped by Fascist ideology. It did not begin yesterday. Why else would a raft of right wing organizations have been founded during the first reagan administration? The democratic party is far from perfect but their candidates are supporters and defenders of democracy and therefore defenders of our nation as free and independent. Hard work is needed now. Not panic. As Jen Rubin has said so well, "GET A GRIP"! We have a President and an administration doing really good work for ALL Americans. Can they do better? Yes! But they need majorities in the House AND the Senate. And WE need President Biden and VP Harris in the White House. Project 2025 must be torn up. Let's begin by being clear that our votes must be for democracy first.
Of course they did. This should not be a surprise to anyone.
Not really a surprise, just a huge disappointment.
But, her emails…
Now is the time for all good
men and women to come to
the aid of their country! Elect
Joe Biden, take the house,
hold or expand the senate!
NOT ONE STEP BACK! No
wringing hands or clutching
pearls!
I posted a Biden ad of January 6th with this heading on fb:
"The U.S. Supreme Court ruled today that the president has immunity from prosecution, even when, especially when, he attempts to destroy our democracy. Vote for Democtrats or you will never vote again."
"The U.S. Supreme Court ruled today that the president has immunity from prosecution, even when, especially when, he attempts to destroy our democracy. Vote for Democrats or you will never vote again."
Does the decision say or imply this? The Court was asked to decide whether a (former) president has immunity from charges when performing official acts. I'm not sure how else the could have ruled on that. Do you want the children of Osama bin Laden to come after Obama for knocking off their dad?
But they haven't determined that the insurrection or fake elector scheme were official acts - it was returned to the district court.
I will let a more enlighted person answer your immunity questions:
https://open.substack.com/pub/luciantruscott/p/supreme-court-decision-on-presidential?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=7ygy0
"She [Judge Chutkan] will have to listen anew to Trump’s lawyers argue why this decision absolves their client from any criminal charges brought against him, but it seems unlikely that she will rule that the charges involving fake electors or Trump’s attempts to get state legislators and officials to overturn the election results in their states were official acts."
Which is pretty-much what I have said in this thread - twice.
Sure sounds logical to me (and to Chutkan, I'm sure). Hope you are right.
There could be two upsides:
(1) Judge Chutkan can being more-or-less straight away to being to test all the evidence, put all witnesses on the stand under oath - all before the election;
(2) It might steel more voters to vote Democrat - voting against this utterly rogue Supreme Court, and the threat of an immune corrupt President Trump going feral in a lame-duck term.
I'm hoping both of those are the case.
Here's Hopin'!
FB seems to have lost my post.
I'm so surprised. Bet they didn't loose the post made by that crazy Trump-lover down at the end of the bar.
FB just put up all my "immunity" posts which includes today's historical "They Fucking Did It!" Column by TCinLA!
Sad State of affairs
I must have ESP. Predicted that the SC would wipe the debate off the headlines. Immunity for official acts, if that isn’t the biggest crock of crap ever cooked up.
You may have found the silver lining!!
Hard to think there is one.
Big surprise. NOT ! We need to use this to our advantage with ads like Biden’s on J6.
📣 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTEYJFs8cm0
TC, glad you’ll be “swabbing the decks” 🧹clean of those in the PBW Caucus !
Thank you for sharing the Biden ad. I hadn't seen it yet.
I strongly agree!
TC will help maintain my/our sanity. I was so angry yesterday when I read some of the comments on Substack(s). I’d posted a neutral comment/link encouraging people to read the debate transcript (that was gaslighting according to one PBW!) along with encouraging people to do whatever was in their comfort zone to boost Biden, flip the House and hold the Senate.Other PBW’s also chimed in…and don’t get me started on those “diagnosing” Biden with Parkinson’s .!😡
Don't give me the URLs. :-)
Of course not.You protect my sanity, I protect yours.😉
And we can help each other maintain our sanity as well. We're all in this together. And it sounds like you're doing your part to encourage people to work on those things we need to do to make sure the Democratic Party stays in control.
But what does PBW stand for?
And here's a great new ad for Biden-Harris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-XXfex0_3Q
It’s a TCism !
“There will be no help and a lot of hurt from the Vichy Democrats in the Professional Bed Wetter’s Caucus, who would have told Churchill he must surrender after Dunkirk.”
Yes, it certainly IS a TCism!!! Thanks!
I went after a friend (on FB) for "diagnosing" Biden too.
Effing Right TC. Damn Trump and ALL Republicans and this Sack of despotic radicals.
And damn the Democrats of Convenience! It's Joe or Surrender! The mongrels are coming for all of us and will pick off the dilettantes first, so wake the fuck up!
Fortunately, Tom. Judge Chutkin is NOT brain dead Judge loose Cannon. She 'might' throw out ONE indictment - that he tried to appoint Jeff Clark to save his sorry ass. Presidents are allowed to appoint - with the advice and consent of the Senate anyone they damned well please. But pressuring your Vice President to throw out officially signed (by the State Governors) legal ballots has NEVER been an official duty of any President. Until the trumpster, every single President (except those who died in office) has graciously welcomed their incoming replacement. Nothing else with which he is charged comes within 10 miles of an official duty.
Judge Tanya Chutkin read those indictments last year when she first received them. She might re-review a few,but he is a reasonable judge, she won't drag her feet and if at all possible she will clear her calendar to get the trial started. There's no place else for baby dumbo the trumpster to appeal - tough patooties - you are toast.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but go read Justice Sotomayor's dissent. The court's decision here has likely made what you are hoping for impossible.
I just did and left a comment there too. Thanks Tom