well, that kind of does all the necessary work, doesn't it?
thanks so much for providing these guidelines, which actually seem pretty sensible and nothing like what a lot of Catholics spend their lives saying "the Church teaches." in learning about Catholicism, It's pretty easy to come to the conclusion that there are two versions (the …
well, that kind of does all the necessary work, doesn't it?
thanks so much for providing these guidelines, which actually seem pretty sensible and nothing like what a lot of Catholics spend their lives saying "the Church teaches." in learning about Catholicism, It's pretty easy to come to the conclusion that there are two versions (the same thing is true in Judaism, except that in Judaism there are COUNTLESS varieties)...the one for the "intellectuals" and the one for the rest (I think of it as the Mel Gibson version). I've spoken to pre-Vatican II Catholics who tell me that they were actually taught that reading scripture is a dicey proposition because there's always the danger of "misinterpretation."
so thanks again for citing this, Carol. maybe it'll make a difference, although I suspect it won't for several very powerful reasons...
Hi David, All I can do is offer it. If it helps in anyway I will be glad. But you are right that this is a time of intense and powerful emotion. Sometimes, though, it can help to know what a teaching really is if it is beiing relied upon for guidance. Thanks for your comment. Do appreciate it.
And I have just found out that a heart specialist ran tests on her today and believes she had a stroke on Friday, which was undiagnosed. After two days like this, there's nothing they can do in terms of restorative treatment, so the likelihood is that she will now be permanently in the state she is in, no recovery. But the torture continues, though here is no hope. So far as I can tell from the material you posted, this is supposed to be the time when it is OK to stop trying, according to the church.
Tom, Please don't give up or be alone. Did you read Don Parsons' post? On a couple of very difficult occasions, when I was taking care of Mark a social worker in the field was quite helpful. A social worker at the hospital may know who can advise you if he or she cannot do so.
She has the legal power to act and I don't. Unfortunately, it is as simple as that. I tried to convince Jurate back in October to sign the papers for a conservancy by me that my lawyer sent over, but she dithered on doing it and this is what we got.
hospital social worker is definitely worth a shot. and actually, if the hospital has a Catholic chaplain, that could be even better, because the sister obviously has grown up with the dumbed-down version of what the Church's actual position is and the chaplain could set her straight.
it's easy for me (or any of us) to do armchair long-distance psychoanalysis, but it's completely inappropriate and a little disgusting, so if it sounds like I've gone in that direction at some point, please forgive me. it's just so hard to figure out why she's made up her mind to believe the worst about you. but she obviously has.
this is about as terrible as things get, and you deserve it less than just about anybody I know.
AS a pre-Vatican II person who attended Catholic schools through 12th grade, I will second what you were told about reading the Bible! The Baltimore catechism held all that we needed to know. The only exposure to sections of the Gospel came during reading by the priest during mass followed by a homily explaining what that verse meant!
well, that kind of does all the necessary work, doesn't it?
thanks so much for providing these guidelines, which actually seem pretty sensible and nothing like what a lot of Catholics spend their lives saying "the Church teaches." in learning about Catholicism, It's pretty easy to come to the conclusion that there are two versions (the same thing is true in Judaism, except that in Judaism there are COUNTLESS varieties)...the one for the "intellectuals" and the one for the rest (I think of it as the Mel Gibson version). I've spoken to pre-Vatican II Catholics who tell me that they were actually taught that reading scripture is a dicey proposition because there's always the danger of "misinterpretation."
so thanks again for citing this, Carol. maybe it'll make a difference, although I suspect it won't for several very powerful reasons...
Hi David, All I can do is offer it. If it helps in anyway I will be glad. But you are right that this is a time of intense and powerful emotion. Sometimes, though, it can help to know what a teaching really is if it is beiing relied upon for guidance. Thanks for your comment. Do appreciate it.
And I have just found out that a heart specialist ran tests on her today and believes she had a stroke on Friday, which was undiagnosed. After two days like this, there's nothing they can do in terms of restorative treatment, so the likelihood is that she will now be permanently in the state she is in, no recovery. But the torture continues, though here is no hope. So far as I can tell from the material you posted, this is supposed to be the time when it is OK to stop trying, according to the church.
Yes. Disproportionate means are not necessary if there is no medical benefit to be had.
But palliative care--keeping her as comfortable and less anxious as possible is important now.
See important recommendation of hospital chaplain Don Parsons ( as Fern mentions.)
Tom, Please don't give up or be alone. Did you read Don Parsons' post? On a couple of very difficult occasions, when I was taking care of Mark a social worker in the field was quite helpful. A social worker at the hospital may know who can advise you if he or she cannot do so.
She has the legal power to act and I don't. Unfortunately, it is as simple as that. I tried to convince Jurate back in October to sign the papers for a conservancy by me that my lawyer sent over, but she dithered on doing it and this is what we got.
hospital social worker is definitely worth a shot. and actually, if the hospital has a Catholic chaplain, that could be even better, because the sister obviously has grown up with the dumbed-down version of what the Church's actual position is and the chaplain could set her straight.
it's easy for me (or any of us) to do armchair long-distance psychoanalysis, but it's completely inappropriate and a little disgusting, so if it sounds like I've gone in that direction at some point, please forgive me. it's just so hard to figure out why she's made up her mind to believe the worst about you. but she obviously has.
this is about as terrible as things get, and you deserve it less than just about anybody I know.
AS a pre-Vatican II person who attended Catholic schools through 12th grade, I will second what you were told about reading the Bible! The Baltimore catechism held all that we needed to know. The only exposure to sections of the Gospel came during reading by the priest during mass followed by a homily explaining what that verse meant!