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I believe you. The whole notion is so repellent that it's really unimaginable that anybody could do such a thing in the first place, much less talk about it later as if it were some kind of accomplishment, something to be proud of. No wonder these fools find each other so compelling.

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My grandmother always said "water seeks its own level".

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Funny, my grandfather always said "shit runs downhill", which remains the complete expression of my understanding of physics. I suspect that they meant the same thing.

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God bless our grandparents.

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