Of course these kids are not BAD - just young & no matter on which "side" - swept along by group think in too many cases. Peaceful protest is great - but the peaceful part kind of gets lost way too easily - being convinced to follow along and join in is easy.
For once, there was someone with a camera when this happened:
Of course these kids are not BAD - just young & no matter on which "side" - swept along by group think in too many cases. Peaceful protest is great - but the peaceful part kind of gets lost way too easily - being convinced to follow along and join in is easy.
For once, there was someone with a camera when this happened:
"The 65-year-old former head of Dartmouth’s Jewish studies program who dared scream "What are you doing?" at cops being taken down with a wrestling move that also left her with an arm wrenched behind her back. Then a second cop arriving to keep her pinned as a third looks on blithely, rifle at the ready. (She was suspended by her university for her trouble.)"
And honestly, sitting here watching tv - I yelled the same thing she did.
The demands that colleges divest themselves of various incomes/research/whatever are kind of ridiculous. But making the effort to meet with the protesters and TALK? Could it be that might be better than putting snipers on building OR throwing senior citizens to the ground?
Honestly, I had little sympathy for the students protesting, but on the other hand, who or where are the supposed adults here? Certainly not law enforcement!
I know I heard of at least one college that had actually met with the kids & made progress - thought it was Dartmouth but looked it up & apparently not - they had a mess there too. I know I didnt dream it - but darned if I can find where it was.
As I said above - my sympathy really didnt land on the students side. But this kind of police over-reaction? Enough already.
when has law enforcement personnel on a college campus resulted in anything good? I am open to examples, but can't think of any myself.
disasters, on the other hand, seem to be very much the rule.
cops on a campus are out of their depth and have virtually no training for such circumstances. and when you factor in a police force almost infinitely more militarized than it was fifty years ago.
I've been shouting for thirty years that, for whatever reason, the government has wanted to deprive most students of their attention spans, knowledge base and, of course, any ability to think for themselves.
for the last few weeks, I've been reading faculty assessments by college students. I recommend this, but if you do it, prepare to be horrified. teachers are downgraded for not providing power point presentations of EVERYTHING, for giving challenging exams, for requiring actual term papers, for assigning too much reading, for demanding attendance, for giving grades less than A's, for pretty much everything everybody took for granted as being the rules when I was in school. prevailed when I was a student.
so the intelligence of these TV reporters with their ivy league degrees should not be taken for granted. at all.
I also read that at one of the campuses the students wanted an automatic pass/fail grade OR I guess because of "what they went thru" an automatic PASS!
The education kids are getting in K-12 is so lacking in EDUCATION! One of things that sticks in my craw (!) is the fact that kids arent being taught cursive - the ABILITY to write! I guess they all know how to print so maybe thats what matters?
I know, THAT is a less important issue compared to the lack of actually teaching them how to live in this world, or perhaps their own history.
And yes, the militarization of police forces is frankly absolute stupidity.
I havent read anything lately about the "police campus" mess in Atlanta. Doesnt seem to be a big enough issue to write about for our "journalists". Frankly, destroying a natural area - a park with wildlife that everyone could enjoy - one thats close to an area of minority neighborhood - so that the police can have a training area to practice their "takedowns" of (I guess) anyone who disagrees with the people in power? Just on the face of it - doesnt that appear to be a bad idea?
Of course these kids are not BAD - just young & no matter on which "side" - swept along by group think in too many cases. Peaceful protest is great - but the peaceful part kind of gets lost way too easily - being convinced to follow along and join in is easy.
For once, there was someone with a camera when this happened:
"The 65-year-old former head of Dartmouth’s Jewish studies program who dared scream "What are you doing?" at cops being taken down with a wrestling move that also left her with an arm wrenched behind her back. Then a second cop arriving to keep her pinned as a third looks on blithely, rifle at the ready. (She was suspended by her university for her trouble.)"
And honestly, sitting here watching tv - I yelled the same thing she did.
The demands that colleges divest themselves of various incomes/research/whatever are kind of ridiculous. But making the effort to meet with the protesters and TALK? Could it be that might be better than putting snipers on building OR throwing senior citizens to the ground?
Honestly, I had little sympathy for the students protesting, but on the other hand, who or where are the supposed adults here? Certainly not law enforcement!
You've put your finger on the problem.
I know I heard of at least one college that had actually met with the kids & made progress - thought it was Dartmouth but looked it up & apparently not - they had a mess there too. I know I didnt dream it - but darned if I can find where it was.
As I said above - my sympathy really didnt land on the students side. But this kind of police over-reaction? Enough already.
Brown University led the way:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/03/1249036523/student-describes-divestment-negotiations-with-brown-university
Thank you, Jeff - apparently there are several universities who have negotiation with students.
It may not satisfy everyone - but communication is better than screaming!
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/07/1249368151/gaza-college-protest-deal-brown-rutgers?ft=nprml&f=1013
it was Brown...but remember they haven't made any promises yet. who knows if they will?
But there has been or is communication - seems to me thats a smarter way than bringing police into it.
when has law enforcement personnel on a college campus resulted in anything good? I am open to examples, but can't think of any myself.
disasters, on the other hand, seem to be very much the rule.
cops on a campus are out of their depth and have virtually no training for such circumstances. and when you factor in a police force almost infinitely more militarized than it was fifty years ago.
I've been shouting for thirty years that, for whatever reason, the government has wanted to deprive most students of their attention spans, knowledge base and, of course, any ability to think for themselves.
for the last few weeks, I've been reading faculty assessments by college students. I recommend this, but if you do it, prepare to be horrified. teachers are downgraded for not providing power point presentations of EVERYTHING, for giving challenging exams, for requiring actual term papers, for assigning too much reading, for demanding attendance, for giving grades less than A's, for pretty much everything everybody took for granted as being the rules when I was in school. prevailed when I was a student.
so the intelligence of these TV reporters with their ivy league degrees should not be taken for granted. at all.
Why do you think I call them the over-educated, under-intelligent,. otherwise-unemployable trust fund babies of the DC Press Corpse?
I also read that at one of the campuses the students wanted an automatic pass/fail grade OR I guess because of "what they went thru" an automatic PASS!
The education kids are getting in K-12 is so lacking in EDUCATION! One of things that sticks in my craw (!) is the fact that kids arent being taught cursive - the ABILITY to write! I guess they all know how to print so maybe thats what matters?
I know, THAT is a less important issue compared to the lack of actually teaching them how to live in this world, or perhaps their own history.
And yes, the militarization of police forces is frankly absolute stupidity.
I havent read anything lately about the "police campus" mess in Atlanta. Doesnt seem to be a big enough issue to write about for our "journalists". Frankly, destroying a natural area - a park with wildlife that everyone could enjoy - one thats close to an area of minority neighborhood - so that the police can have a training area to practice their "takedowns" of (I guess) anyone who disagrees with the people in power? Just on the face of it - doesnt that appear to be a bad idea?