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Susanna J. Sturgis's avatar

That question had little effect on Joe McCarthy (whose brain must have been pretty well pickled by then), and I can't imagine it getting traction with anyone leaning MAGA. They think they're the decent ones.

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Judith Matlock's avatar

Yes, it didn't affect McCarthy, but it was a definite turning point in those hearings. And I know the magas think they're the decent ones, but the contrast must be made more stark. The Germans who acquiesced to the nazis thought they were decent too until Eisenhower made them view and bury the dead at the camps, something that drove home a few points about decency and Hannah Arendt's "banality of evil."

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David Levine's avatar

my understanding was that that particular moment WAS a turning point in McCarthy's career. and certainly the alcohol and heroin weren't doing him a whole lot of good. how long did he live after those hearings? I'm pretty sure it wasn't more than a couple of years, during which he was no longer any sort of force to be reckoned with.

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Judith Matlock's avatar

McCarthy's liver gave out in 1948, just under three years after the end of the hearings. Old Joseph Welch went on to have a small role as the judge in the film "Anatomy of a Murder" based on a Robert Travers book about an actual murder that occurred in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, where I lived and went to college for a year when classes were held at the Kincheloe AF Base.

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TCinLA's avatar

It was 1958.

Anatomy of a Murder was my screenwriting mentor's (Wendell Mayes) first Oscar nomination (and then he won one for "the Poseidon Adventure" - go figure)

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David Levine's avatar

go figure indeed. sometimes, Oscars are given for an undeserving picture (or performer or whatever) to compensate for a previously undeserved loss.

oddly enough, this past year the movies and performers that won were pretty much the ones that should have won, which has become increasingly rare.

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David Levine's avatar

you mean '58. and the movie was a great favorite of mine when it came out and remains one I keep returning to. the northernmost part of Michigan I've spent time in is Charlevoix/Petoskey. Lake Michigan was fucking COLD.

the score is the best one of the several movies Duke Ellington scored. the Criterion Edition has some great extra stuff and a bee-you-tee-full restoration.

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Susanna J. Sturgis's avatar

It may have been a turning point in the hearings, and in McCarthy's career (which may have gone to hell without it), but McCarthyism *still* isn't dead. It's still a big reason why we can't have nice things, like universal health care, or a tax system that doesn't benefit the wealthy, and it helps explain why anyone who advocates for these things is called "far left" -- a loose transition of "commie pinko traitor to the white American way."

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JDinTX's avatar

He also wanted pictures because as he is quoted saying, тАЬget it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history, some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.тАЭ

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JDinTX's avatar

Plenty of evidence to the contrary.

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Susanna J. Sturgis's avatar

To the contrary of what? In long and/or convoluted threads, it does help to give a little more context to one's posts.

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