It's not enough. Ford let Nixon skip off to the beach and that lesson was not forgotten. There has to be some actual punishment for his crimes. Ford once said, "I know I'm going to hell because I pardoned Nixon". If these crimes go unpunished we are all going to hell.
It's not enough. Ford let Nixon skip off to the beach and that lesson was not forgotten. There has to be some actual punishment for his crimes. Ford once said, "I know I'm going to hell because I pardoned Nixon". If these crimes go unpunished we are all going to hell.
Consider the person being punished. As Dennis pointed out in his post, being made irrelevant, silenced, and the spotlight taken away are punishments that would affect Lardo far worse than they would you and me. Sentencing him to wander the empty halls of Mar A Lardo, unable to do anything any more, being forgotten the longer his silence is enforced, kills him yet leaves the body still mobile.
The more I think about it, the more I am unwilling to find out just exactly how strong this country is, because so far the evidence is it isn't as strong as we thought. Reduce the pressure and give time for additional remedial strengthening of the structure (what I call passage of The Trump Laws, in which all the "assumptions" will be written down with the force of felony law) is something to be seriously considered.
And I say that as someone who would personally like to knot the rope, wield the sword, and flog the horses.
TC, first I suspect you are correct how the punishment will eventually be meted out with some sort of a consent decree that silences Trump. The legal system has a curious deference to wealth.
Second, I share your suspicion that our nation is not strong enough, morally speaking, among a sizable proportion of our citizenry, to accept imprisonment of Trump for his crimes.
However,...
I also suspect the moral rot is deep enough to prevent a sufficient suite of anti-Trump laws to be passed and our тАЬnormsтАЭ written into the law. After all, consider the failure to reenact Glass-Steegle post the Great Recession (and there are other obvious legislative fixes which I canтАЩt remember right now because IтАЩve been drinking too much rye tonight).
I am thinking that we must remember the Ford-Nixon debacle and itтАЩs role in the deterioration of the respect for law in our country. Trump needs to be imprisoned if heтАЩs convicted of these crimes. Anyone else would. TC, I implore you to not give up on a righteous and just outcome. I agree Trump would be crushed if heтАЩs silenced but do we really care about retribution? I suggest to you that this country needs an example to be set for deterrence. You know full well that there are young high functioning sociopaths watching whatтАЩs going on, taking careful notes, and plotting their attempt. We must make it clear to them that an attempt to subvert our democracy is made at their great peril. And we must make clear to all that fortune and fame is not a get out of jail card.
You're right, we do need to do that; he does need to be imprisoned for the good of the country. Looking at the way things are, however, I proposed this as probably the best we can hope for in this fractured country. I think the enormous disappointment if he is not imprisoned could give strength to the movement to enact "the Trump Laws."
As I suspect you are correct about the ultimate outlines of TrumpтАЩs punishment, I will hope you are correct about the impetus for the enactment of Trump Laws.
And adding to this slow "drip by drip" torture of being completely irrelevant, Trump would also face the loss of much of his business empire, a great deal of his money, and the loss of the value of his name - after he is convicted, no one is going to pay him to put his name on any buildings.....his name will be coming off most of them.....
It's not enough. Ford let Nixon skip off to the beach and that lesson was not forgotten. There has to be some actual punishment for his crimes. Ford once said, "I know I'm going to hell because I pardoned Nixon". If these crimes go unpunished we are all going to hell.
Consider the person being punished. As Dennis pointed out in his post, being made irrelevant, silenced, and the spotlight taken away are punishments that would affect Lardo far worse than they would you and me. Sentencing him to wander the empty halls of Mar A Lardo, unable to do anything any more, being forgotten the longer his silence is enforced, kills him yet leaves the body still mobile.
The more I think about it, the more I am unwilling to find out just exactly how strong this country is, because so far the evidence is it isn't as strong as we thought. Reduce the pressure and give time for additional remedial strengthening of the structure (what I call passage of The Trump Laws, in which all the "assumptions" will be written down with the force of felony law) is something to be seriously considered.
And I say that as someone who would personally like to knot the rope, wield the sword, and flog the horses.
TC, first I suspect you are correct how the punishment will eventually be meted out with some sort of a consent decree that silences Trump. The legal system has a curious deference to wealth.
Second, I share your suspicion that our nation is not strong enough, morally speaking, among a sizable proportion of our citizenry, to accept imprisonment of Trump for his crimes.
However,...
I also suspect the moral rot is deep enough to prevent a sufficient suite of anti-Trump laws to be passed and our тАЬnormsтАЭ written into the law. After all, consider the failure to reenact Glass-Steegle post the Great Recession (and there are other obvious legislative fixes which I canтАЩt remember right now because IтАЩve been drinking too much rye tonight).
I am thinking that we must remember the Ford-Nixon debacle and itтАЩs role in the deterioration of the respect for law in our country. Trump needs to be imprisoned if heтАЩs convicted of these crimes. Anyone else would. TC, I implore you to not give up on a righteous and just outcome. I agree Trump would be crushed if heтАЩs silenced but do we really care about retribution? I suggest to you that this country needs an example to be set for deterrence. You know full well that there are young high functioning sociopaths watching whatтАЩs going on, taking careful notes, and plotting their attempt. We must make it clear to them that an attempt to subvert our democracy is made at their great peril. And we must make clear to all that fortune and fame is not a get out of jail card.
End of drunken rant.
You're right, we do need to do that; he does need to be imprisoned for the good of the country. Looking at the way things are, however, I proposed this as probably the best we can hope for in this fractured country. I think the enormous disappointment if he is not imprisoned could give strength to the movement to enact "the Trump Laws."
As I suspect you are correct about the ultimate outlines of TrumpтАЩs punishment, I will hope you are correct about the impetus for the enactment of Trump Laws.
Need to imprison Faux News.
Yes! Give them their own FEMA camp. Hannity needs to go on a (prison) diet.
Can his silence really be enforced? Is it possible to even do that? That would make him irrelevant, something he would go to any lengths to avoid.
However to my mind shutting his gob is the most necessary thing of all to rid ourselves of this plague on mankind.
Bingo! We have a winnah!
And adding to this slow "drip by drip" torture of being completely irrelevant, Trump would also face the loss of much of his business empire, a great deal of his money, and the loss of the value of his name - after he is convicted, no one is going to pay him to put his name on any buildings.....his name will be coming off most of them.....