Doubt this will get noticed much on other Substack, but wanted to post here. Had convo with Ally about a question (perhaps forgotten by many)asked often but not answered to this point. Where in the Sam heck were the troops on Jan 6th? Where was response by National Guard? Why were the m-efers in the Capitol “ALLOWED” to be there so long?…
Doubt this will get noticed much on other Substack, but wanted to post here. Had convo with Ally about a question (perhaps forgotten by many)asked often but not answered to this point. Where in the Sam heck were the troops on Jan 6th? Where was response by National Guard? Why were the m-efers in the Capitol “ALLOWED” to be there so long? To sit at desks, go through papers, wander halls, enter at numerous entry points, traipse through halls defecating and pissing like they had all the time in the world, calling out names of wanted victims, cower legislators for hours, steal from offices,, stroll around with confederate flags. And all the while intense rage and chaos and fighting and killing and injuring going on outside the breached points. When is that question going to be answered? “Where were the troops, the good guys?” How did hours go by without armed response on federal level?
So I answered today with my opinion… and I’ve thought about this a lot, and what it will mean…..
“I answered that question to myself on the day of. When the Commander-in-Chief of this country orders in advance for forces to stand down so the forces he already told to “stand back and stand by”can plunge and plunder, it deepens the unheard of treason by a defeated president still in the WH but unable to participate in a peaceful transition of power. He knew at that presidential debate when he made that openly cloaked command to the Proud Boys. I believe that is the last piece that will be fully exposed by the committee. That is an order that has to come from a commander-in-chief. If there is ever a time that Trump will get on a red eye to Moscow, it will be then. That will be the tipping point of conviction in many minds. Holding back the military force of the US to quell insurrection. I imagine he will not be the only one on the plane.
If Democracy is wrested back from the attempted coup, imagine how many rats will have to flee the sinking ship.”
Yes, the DoD leaders in the Pentagon were stymied by the lack of direction from POTUS. And the DC National Guard had been ordered not to intervene in any civil disturbances militarily, again per direction from the White House, supposedly out of concern for the problems presented during the demonstrations the previous summer.
Eventually, the Vice President ordered the troops to come to the capitol. Despite his actual lack of authority to take such action (which angered POTUS when he did) the DoD took that as the opportunity to do what needed to be done.
When the president is mounting a coup against the government it is difficult to get a rational response when the orders have to come from the guy committing the treason.
I think your idea that the coup was being planned when Trump told the PBs to step back and stand by is accurate. As the Committee has demonstrated, almost everything he did in the campaign makes sense if you factor in that he was planning a coup from early in 2020.
I just feel it is the piece that will trigger that place in many people’s brains connected to fight or flight. As in, where will the troops be when the f-ing Trump trucks and dress up fake ass pussy chamo army guys with automatic weapons show up at my door, my town, my election?
Who is he Commander-in-chief of? What the f*ck did his allies think he meant when he told the Puss Boys to stand back and stand by? Geez for crying out loud. I feel it his most serious mistake. Not that I like seeing that coward Pence get a medal for calling in the troops albeit so late, but so be it. I just look forward to every deliberate word coming out of Cheney’s and Thompson’s mouths when the knife used by Trump to screw the people of this country is twisted in his screeching, whining, smarmy countenance.
As I recall, they were in a forced "stand by" because, as TC notes, they had been told not to intervene. But I think I remember one of their leaders saying he had them fully armed and equipped and ready for action - just needed the go ahead to make it happen. And as for your comment about this coming out in the hearing, I agree. It is interesting to me how well coordinated and scripted and tightly focused these hearings have been. The hint yesterday with Biggs and Johnson's names coming up for the first time, followed by a tip that others in Congress will be named in the days ahead, makes me think these hearings are being put together in an arc like a dramatic movie or book, with the grand finale coming at the end. The louder and more bombastic El Lardo gets (if that were even possible), the more desperate I begin to think he may be. He's balancing on the blade of a knife right now - he continues to grift off the lunatic fringe as long as he begs for money as a has-been, but when he "declares" he loses the use of that money - it has to be directed to a real campaign. He may be banking on the DOJ backing off once he's an "official" candidate, but I think that ship has sailed. There's too much evidence on record and in the public already. I hope we are both correct!
Doubt this will get noticed much on other Substack, but wanted to post here. Had convo with Ally about a question (perhaps forgotten by many)asked often but not answered to this point. Where in the Sam heck were the troops on Jan 6th? Where was response by National Guard? Why were the m-efers in the Capitol “ALLOWED” to be there so long? To sit at desks, go through papers, wander halls, enter at numerous entry points, traipse through halls defecating and pissing like they had all the time in the world, calling out names of wanted victims, cower legislators for hours, steal from offices,, stroll around with confederate flags. And all the while intense rage and chaos and fighting and killing and injuring going on outside the breached points. When is that question going to be answered? “Where were the troops, the good guys?” How did hours go by without armed response on federal level?
So I answered today with my opinion… and I’ve thought about this a lot, and what it will mean…..
“I answered that question to myself on the day of. When the Commander-in-Chief of this country orders in advance for forces to stand down so the forces he already told to “stand back and stand by”can plunge and plunder, it deepens the unheard of treason by a defeated president still in the WH but unable to participate in a peaceful transition of power. He knew at that presidential debate when he made that openly cloaked command to the Proud Boys. I believe that is the last piece that will be fully exposed by the committee. That is an order that has to come from a commander-in-chief. If there is ever a time that Trump will get on a red eye to Moscow, it will be then. That will be the tipping point of conviction in many minds. Holding back the military force of the US to quell insurrection. I imagine he will not be the only one on the plane.
If Democracy is wrested back from the attempted coup, imagine how many rats will have to flee the sinking ship.”
Salud, TC and all here.
Yes, the DoD leaders in the Pentagon were stymied by the lack of direction from POTUS. And the DC National Guard had been ordered not to intervene in any civil disturbances militarily, again per direction from the White House, supposedly out of concern for the problems presented during the demonstrations the previous summer.
Eventually, the Vice President ordered the troops to come to the capitol. Despite his actual lack of authority to take such action (which angered POTUS when he did) the DoD took that as the opportunity to do what needed to be done.
When the president is mounting a coup against the government it is difficult to get a rational response when the orders have to come from the guy committing the treason.
I think your idea that the coup was being planned when Trump told the PBs to step back and stand by is accurate. As the Committee has demonstrated, almost everything he did in the campaign makes sense if you factor in that he was planning a coup from early in 2020.
I just feel it is the piece that will trigger that place in many people’s brains connected to fight or flight. As in, where will the troops be when the f-ing Trump trucks and dress up fake ass pussy chamo army guys with automatic weapons show up at my door, my town, my election?
Who is he Commander-in-chief of? What the f*ck did his allies think he meant when he told the Puss Boys to stand back and stand by? Geez for crying out loud. I feel it his most serious mistake. Not that I like seeing that coward Pence get a medal for calling in the troops albeit so late, but so be it. I just look forward to every deliberate word coming out of Cheney’s and Thompson’s mouths when the knife used by Trump to screw the people of this country is twisted in his screeching, whining, smarmy countenance.
Salud, TC. Sizzlin’ today.
As I recall, they were in a forced "stand by" because, as TC notes, they had been told not to intervene. But I think I remember one of their leaders saying he had them fully armed and equipped and ready for action - just needed the go ahead to make it happen. And as for your comment about this coming out in the hearing, I agree. It is interesting to me how well coordinated and scripted and tightly focused these hearings have been. The hint yesterday with Biggs and Johnson's names coming up for the first time, followed by a tip that others in Congress will be named in the days ahead, makes me think these hearings are being put together in an arc like a dramatic movie or book, with the grand finale coming at the end. The louder and more bombastic El Lardo gets (if that were even possible), the more desperate I begin to think he may be. He's balancing on the blade of a knife right now - he continues to grift off the lunatic fringe as long as he begs for money as a has-been, but when he "declares" he loses the use of that money - it has to be directed to a real campaign. He may be banking on the DOJ backing off once he's an "official" candidate, but I think that ship has sailed. There's too much evidence on record and in the public already. I hope we are both correct!
I believe we, Ellen, with a lot of others, are on the right track.