That is what diversion from climate relates to, what you write about. At the Waimea Ocean Film Festival, in 2013 I learned from the director that lights in buildings cause the most carbon use. If buildings shut their lights at night that would be a saving.
In France, 2 out of 5 nuclear reactors are used for devices (I read this) so there are personal decisions we can make to lower usage, independently.
It appears that the "dominant" species on this planet better "get on the stick" and start using some actual common or horse sense - both of which are sadly lacking. Climate change or warming just is not on the top of the list of most human's concerns - certainly not anywhere in the minds of our elected representatives! There should be some humbling in those areas! The old "if you ignore it, it will go away" phrase comes to mind.
“Bitcoin alone is estimated to consume 127 terawatt-hours (TWh) a year. In the United States cryptocurrency is estimated to emit from 25 to 50 million tons of CO2 each year.”
Thank you for these numbers. I have wondered lately what the power consumption of the ridiculous bitcoin mines might be. How to destroy the world in several ways...........
What's being done with AI by bad actors is already making the internet nearly uninhabitable. Nowadays, the proper way to meet new "people" on the net is under the Code Napoleon - they're guilty till they prove themselves innocent. Starting with proving they are who they say they are.
We already have to have evidence that a contact is human and not a bot. Sadly, some humans are more bot like. Now we have to add another dimension to the equation. Think I’ll stick to animals.
True. Though I think the real threat will be in information control and censorship by either 1) automatically deleting unfavored viewpoints & information or swamping them with automated responses and 2) the overtly altering of the digital texts and information in these large centralized databases. Worse yet, if we move to CDBC, there will be little to stop the implementation of a social credit system and the computing power to pull it off.
However, I was referring to the power consumption that will be required by AI. It will make that required by bitcoin mining minor.
The alarming reports just keep coming, and yet the needle on apathy remains far right. Those of us who give a darn have long been reducing our carbon footprints, something that has its own satisfactions even when waste and indifference persist.
I remember when JFK launched a physical fitness development program, and despite his Addison's disease he still looked trim and fit and was a model. If I were advising Biden I'd tell him to renew a national emphasis on fitness (because clearly the other guy won't), including getting outside into nature with hiking, biking, camping, etc. We must re-establish our connection to the natural world, something that appeals to the young voters Biden is losing to the Gaza annihilation. He needs to show that while he's a grandpa, he's a loving one who wants to leave a livable planet to the young. Let him return solar panels to the White House, reduce his vehicle entourage, continue international climate change agreements and efforts already in place and add new ones related to ocean renewal, have more meetings with foreign leaders via Zoom and fewer involving Air Force One, and on and on. No more looting, raping, and pillaging of the planet, especially for obscene profits.
As for the issue of lights at night that Kelly Winsa raised, Joe probably already turns out the lights early and dozes off knowing he's doing his very best, unlike his rival who stays up all night watching TV and screeching on social media.
Our intricate web of life is unraveling & we are witnesses to an extinction with 3 billion birds gone , bees in peril, an ever increasing population of humans saturated with plastics & chemicals , etc., etc., The majority of people have failed to be good stewards of this beautiful earth . While solar activity & other planetary influences are beyond our control , we have done so much harm. That we still have an opportunity to enjoy talking about the beautiful weather some days is becoming more precious. My climate science friends are most disturbed by how fast this is happening now , a quickening is underway.
Power brokers who could change the course of the climate damage are too busy hoarding resources to stop and realize that they are committing to an ELE (extinction level event).
I should also mention that in an interview conducted in 2010, Robert Ballard said that eventually all the snow and ice on earth would melt, based on the pollution and greenhouse gases we have already put into the atmosphere. I guess we will have to see if that is true.....but if it happens, the seas will rise over 250 feet, drowning all major coastal cities and forcing hundreds of millions of people to migrate. And then there is James Hansen's latest paper, which predicts a probable global temperature rise of 10 deg C when the process has played out. Hansen's paper has been countered by others in the field, but while an outlier, he has been right in the past, so it is not a good idea to ignore his findings out of hand. The question now seems to be not what will happen, but how fast and how far.....
Another scary thing is the possible/probable collapse of the Atlantic current system. That could turn parts of Northern Europe into an ice age. Scary effect on world food supply
An article yesterday mentioned that along with this info about sea water heating and said that the Atlantic current collapse is around 150 years off. At the rate we're going we still won't manage to miss it.
While the AMOC may not collapse soon, parts of it are already slowing down. The Gulf Stream component is being slowed by melting glaciers that add too much lighter fresh water to the heavy sea water, interrupting the natural sinking of the current. Unprecedented coral die offs in S. Florida this past summer were caused by sea temperatures reaching record highs.
The movie "Day After Tomorrow" was premised on this and that the unforeseen feedback loop accelerated the changes. A certain amount of hyperbole (NY City encased in ice almost overnight) but the premise of dramatic and rapid climate changes caused by changes in the Atlantic current system isn't so far from reality.
How great it would be if the population of the USA could focus on critical issues facing us and the world. And if the government, with a little help from republicans, could focus on these issues instead of WASTING a God-awful amount of time paying attention to the most pathetic excuse for a human being ever to exist. This fact makes me apoplectic to the point of being almost non-functional. I have to constantly look for ways to have some power, but the feeling of helplessness is hard to mitigate.
Trump, Putin, Orbán and others will do nothing to avert climate disaster.
Energy companies are still busy with their greenwashing. I few years ago I heard a Shell exec tell stockholders that Shell would plant millions or billions of trees. Where, I wondered? I have not heard more about this lovely theoretical idea that would allow Shell to keep doing what it does.
I have read that we will need to build large cities in the arctic. Could be, but let that not be a substitute for moving to renewable energy, sustainable farming, and conservation now.
Large cities in the Arctic is laughable. Thermokarst activity (melting permafrost) causes the ground, previously supported by buried ice, to collapse. Not a new thing, but becoming a bigger thing.
Then how about sunken, even underground cities for people fed by air-conditioned acres of greenhouses where the sun shines more than half a year?
I am NOT recommending that kind of thinking, because it is an excuse to avoid using available means of staving off the worst warming. But, Elon, it sounds more practical than moving “us” to Mars.
Recent articles suggest the slowing down of one of the planet’s major oven currents, the AMOC, is a likely culprit. It has long been a major factor in redistributing heat/cold to maintain equilibrium. It will have different effects in different areas, but, if it doesn’t keep bringing deeper cold water to the surface, surface water will begin heating up quickly:
Roger Hallam (co-founder of Extinction Rebellion) has an interesting insight on the ascendency of the extreme right... that, in many countries, the great middle of society knows (without consciously knowing) that they can't survive the climate crisis and related economic deprivations that have been accelerating, all caused by the liberal (fossil fuel) establishment, and as the center cannot hold, the extreme right and left have their chance, but the left has nowhere near the ambition that the right has. So we’re going to have the neo-fascist take-over, and then, when that hits the wall, maybe we’ll have a chance at the reform that we need to survive.
The liberal (fossil fuel) establishment? Carter put solar panels on the White House. Reagan took them down. The climate deniers in Congress are not the Democrats, they are people representing states with big fossil fuel and extractive industries.
Roger Hallam is writing about Portugal, whose fascist dictator stayed in power from 1932 to 1968. The grandparent generation in Portugal has family history with fascism.
A neo-fascist takeover leading to a chance for reform misses the fact that it takes years to get rid of a fascist regime. There isn’t time. Global warming is accelerating.
That is what diversion from climate relates to, what you write about. At the Waimea Ocean Film Festival, in 2013 I learned from the director that lights in buildings cause the most carbon use. If buildings shut their lights at night that would be a saving.
In France, 2 out of 5 nuclear reactors are used for devices (I read this) so there are personal decisions we can make to lower usage, independently.
It appears that the "dominant" species on this planet better "get on the stick" and start using some actual common or horse sense - both of which are sadly lacking. Climate change or warming just is not on the top of the list of most human's concerns - certainly not anywhere in the minds of our elected representatives! There should be some humbling in those areas! The old "if you ignore it, it will go away" phrase comes to mind.
“Bitcoin alone is estimated to consume 127 terawatt-hours (TWh) a year. In the United States cryptocurrency is estimated to emit from 25 to 50 million tons of CO2 each year.”
For what, I ask…….😢
Thank you for these numbers. I have wondered lately what the power consumption of the ridiculous bitcoin mines might be. How to destroy the world in several ways...........
Just wait till AI really kicks in…….
What's being done with AI by bad actors is already making the internet nearly uninhabitable. Nowadays, the proper way to meet new "people" on the net is under the Code Napoleon - they're guilty till they prove themselves innocent. Starting with proving they are who they say they are.
We already have to have evidence that a contact is human and not a bot. Sadly, some humans are more bot like. Now we have to add another dimension to the equation. Think I’ll stick to animals.
True. Though I think the real threat will be in information control and censorship by either 1) automatically deleting unfavored viewpoints & information or swamping them with automated responses and 2) the overtly altering of the digital texts and information in these large centralized databases. Worse yet, if we move to CDBC, there will be little to stop the implementation of a social credit system and the computing power to pull it off.
However, I was referring to the power consumption that will be required by AI. It will make that required by bitcoin mining minor.
For the egos of fools. What a pathetic use of resources. Greedy bastards always take, take, take.
Agreed, especially the greed!
Greed results in feeding, soothing, uplifting and massaging the ego of fools, and some still on a journey, destination unknown...
The alarming reports just keep coming, and yet the needle on apathy remains far right. Those of us who give a darn have long been reducing our carbon footprints, something that has its own satisfactions even when waste and indifference persist.
I remember when JFK launched a physical fitness development program, and despite his Addison's disease he still looked trim and fit and was a model. If I were advising Biden I'd tell him to renew a national emphasis on fitness (because clearly the other guy won't), including getting outside into nature with hiking, biking, camping, etc. We must re-establish our connection to the natural world, something that appeals to the young voters Biden is losing to the Gaza annihilation. He needs to show that while he's a grandpa, he's a loving one who wants to leave a livable planet to the young. Let him return solar panels to the White House, reduce his vehicle entourage, continue international climate change agreements and efforts already in place and add new ones related to ocean renewal, have more meetings with foreign leaders via Zoom and fewer involving Air Force One, and on and on. No more looting, raping, and pillaging of the planet, especially for obscene profits.
As for the issue of lights at night that Kelly Winsa raised, Joe probably already turns out the lights early and dozes off knowing he's doing his very best, unlike his rival who stays up all night watching TV and screeching on social media.
Our intricate web of life is unraveling & we are witnesses to an extinction with 3 billion birds gone , bees in peril, an ever increasing population of humans saturated with plastics & chemicals , etc., etc., The majority of people have failed to be good stewards of this beautiful earth . While solar activity & other planetary influences are beyond our control , we have done so much harm. That we still have an opportunity to enjoy talking about the beautiful weather some days is becoming more precious. My climate science friends are most disturbed by how fast this is happening now , a quickening is underway.
Power brokers who could change the course of the climate damage are too busy hoarding resources to stop and realize that they are committing to an ELE (extinction level event).
I noticed that this report did
not take into consideration all
of the tremendous fires that
raged in 2023, in many parts
of the world. Not just the
burning of forests and the
smoke emitted and into the
atmosphere, but the
chemicals burned too in
houses and manufacturing
companies that were
released into the
atmosphere. The terrible fire
in Hawaii is an example. That
whole area was a toxic mess
for quite a while.
I should also mention that in an interview conducted in 2010, Robert Ballard said that eventually all the snow and ice on earth would melt, based on the pollution and greenhouse gases we have already put into the atmosphere. I guess we will have to see if that is true.....but if it happens, the seas will rise over 250 feet, drowning all major coastal cities and forcing hundreds of millions of people to migrate. And then there is James Hansen's latest paper, which predicts a probable global temperature rise of 10 deg C when the process has played out. Hansen's paper has been countered by others in the field, but while an outlier, he has been right in the past, so it is not a good idea to ignore his findings out of hand. The question now seems to be not what will happen, but how fast and how far.....
Another scary thing is the possible/probable collapse of the Atlantic current system. That could turn parts of Northern Europe into an ice age. Scary effect on world food supply
An article yesterday mentioned that along with this info about sea water heating and said that the Atlantic current collapse is around 150 years off. At the rate we're going we still won't manage to miss it.
While the AMOC may not collapse soon, parts of it are already slowing down. The Gulf Stream component is being slowed by melting glaciers that add too much lighter fresh water to the heavy sea water, interrupting the natural sinking of the current. Unprecedented coral die offs in S. Florida this past summer were caused by sea temperatures reaching record highs.
Yes, "hot tub" temps
Well, I hope my great great grandchildren don't move to N. Europe
No place will be safe, even for magats
The movie "Day After Tomorrow" was premised on this and that the unforeseen feedback loop accelerated the changes. A certain amount of hyperbole (NY City encased in ice almost overnight) but the premise of dramatic and rapid climate changes caused by changes in the Atlantic current system isn't so far from reality.
No wonder I'm not sleeping well . . .
We are the frogs, planet Earth is our pot.
I weep for our grandchildren.
How great it would be if the population of the USA could focus on critical issues facing us and the world. And if the government, with a little help from republicans, could focus on these issues instead of WASTING a God-awful amount of time paying attention to the most pathetic excuse for a human being ever to exist. This fact makes me apoplectic to the point of being almost non-functional. I have to constantly look for ways to have some power, but the feeling of helplessness is hard to mitigate.
Here's a possible major contributor to 2023. If this eruption had occurred above sea, we could have seen a cooling like the early 1800's.
https://eos.org/articles/tonga-eruption-may-temporarily-push-earth-closer-to-1-5c-of-warming
Trump, Putin, Orbán and others will do nothing to avert climate disaster.
Energy companies are still busy with their greenwashing. I few years ago I heard a Shell exec tell stockholders that Shell would plant millions or billions of trees. Where, I wondered? I have not heard more about this lovely theoretical idea that would allow Shell to keep doing what it does.
I have read that we will need to build large cities in the arctic. Could be, but let that not be a substitute for moving to renewable energy, sustainable farming, and conservation now.
Large cities in the Arctic is laughable. Thermokarst activity (melting permafrost) causes the ground, previously supported by buried ice, to collapse. Not a new thing, but becoming a bigger thing.
Then how about sunken, even underground cities for people fed by air-conditioned acres of greenhouses where the sun shines more than half a year?
I am NOT recommending that kind of thinking, because it is an excuse to avoid using available means of staving off the worst warming. But, Elon, it sounds more practical than moving “us” to Mars.
Plant the trees using Bolunteer labor !!
Recent articles suggest the slowing down of one of the planet’s major oven currents, the AMOC, is a likely culprit. It has long been a major factor in redistributing heat/cold to maintain equilibrium. It will have different effects in different areas, but, if it doesn’t keep bringing deeper cold water to the surface, surface water will begin heating up quickly:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/world/climate-change-ocean-currents-weakening?cid=ios_app
Roger Hallam (co-founder of Extinction Rebellion) has an interesting insight on the ascendency of the extreme right... that, in many countries, the great middle of society knows (without consciously knowing) that they can't survive the climate crisis and related economic deprivations that have been accelerating, all caused by the liberal (fossil fuel) establishment, and as the center cannot hold, the extreme right and left have their chance, but the left has nowhere near the ambition that the right has. So we’re going to have the neo-fascist take-over, and then, when that hits the wall, maybe we’ll have a chance at the reform that we need to survive.
https://rogerhallam.com/the-rise-of-the-far-right-in-portugal/?ref=roger-hallam-newsletter
The liberal (fossil fuel) establishment? Carter put solar panels on the White House. Reagan took them down. The climate deniers in Congress are not the Democrats, they are people representing states with big fossil fuel and extractive industries.
Roger Hallam is writing about Portugal, whose fascist dictator stayed in power from 1932 to 1968. The grandparent generation in Portugal has family history with fascism.
A neo-fascist takeover leading to a chance for reform misses the fact that it takes years to get rid of a fascist regime. There isn’t time. Global warming is accelerating.