Olof, thank you for your comparison of China with the US and comment about the role of 'advertising' in Democracy. Advertising and 'rap' music are seminar material when assessing the roles of each in our capitalistic,, 'experiment' with Democracy America. I don't think either are as cut and dry as you expressed. Personally, I think our…
Olof, thank you for your comparison of China with the US and comment about the role of 'advertising' in Democracy. Advertising and 'rap' music are seminar material when assessing the roles of each in our capitalistic,, 'experiment' with Democracy America. I don't think either are as cut and dry as you expressed. Personally, I think our opinions about 'rap' music differ a good deal. I am not now addressing the taste for rap music but its origins, what it was born into and the variations of thoughts and feelings it expresses.
I don't know where 'rap' first appeared in the world. I would try to authentic any story about where it was first sung. And also consider whether that is important in terms of its meaning here and now. There are a lot of false accusations made by one party stereotyping or trying to bring down, insult and disparage another. I was addressing its origin here. Why here? Have you looked for what rap music song writers and performers have to say about that?
The one version I cited I heard from a rap artist, with appreciation of Ithaka, which is quite understandable. He was a great hero to his people, winning one battle but not the war. Maybe the last battle with honorable warriors. - At the end of the last poetry festival in Malmö the most famous rapper in town, Timbuktu, was invited to perform at the final. That was quite a brave move for an 80 year old poet. After some days of attentive listening I must say I have never before felt my listening abused in that way. - I heard the young Louis Armstrong outspoken in the recording you sent, and if that way of saying has not been listened to for all these years, I don't wonder that there are more expressive and aggressive ways.
Just as clarification, you felt abused by Timbuktu's words? I don't generalize about this genre as there is variety, and believe that I would feel as you do about some 'rappers'.
Not the words, mostly the volume and the aggressiveness! I don't generalize either, but I have taken that one saying about the origin as credible. Fast rhythm, strong feelings, and high volume leaves no room for thinking about, and invites to shut up; autocratic to my mind.
Olof, thank you for your comparison of China with the US and comment about the role of 'advertising' in Democracy. Advertising and 'rap' music are seminar material when assessing the roles of each in our capitalistic,, 'experiment' with Democracy America. I don't think either are as cut and dry as you expressed. Personally, I think our opinions about 'rap' music differ a good deal. I am not now addressing the taste for rap music but its origins, what it was born into and the variations of thoughts and feelings it expresses.
One version I have heard: rap originated in Ithaka (?) Zulu military dictatorship South Africa.
I don't know where 'rap' first appeared in the world. I would try to authentic any story about where it was first sung. And also consider whether that is important in terms of its meaning here and now. There are a lot of false accusations made by one party stereotyping or trying to bring down, insult and disparage another. I was addressing its origin here. Why here? Have you looked for what rap music song writers and performers have to say about that?
The one version I cited I heard from a rap artist, with appreciation of Ithaka, which is quite understandable. He was a great hero to his people, winning one battle but not the war. Maybe the last battle with honorable warriors. - At the end of the last poetry festival in Malmö the most famous rapper in town, Timbuktu, was invited to perform at the final. That was quite a brave move for an 80 year old poet. After some days of attentive listening I must say I have never before felt my listening abused in that way. - I heard the young Louis Armstrong outspoken in the recording you sent, and if that way of saying has not been listened to for all these years, I don't wonder that there are more expressive and aggressive ways.
As Ray Charles used to say, "Rap is spelled with a 'silent C'."
Okay, TC & Olof, other music lovers as well, try this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWveXdj6oZU
Just as clarification, you felt abused by Timbuktu's words? I don't generalize about this genre as there is variety, and believe that I would feel as you do about some 'rappers'.
Not the words, mostly the volume and the aggressiveness! I don't generalize either, but I have taken that one saying about the origin as credible. Fast rhythm, strong feelings, and high volume leaves no room for thinking about, and invites to shut up; autocratic to my mind.
Rap music, 'Autocratic' relating to a ruler who has absolute power.'
'taking no account of other people's wishes or opinions; domineering.'
… so, Olof, I would not describe 'Rap' that way, but I am not a fan. Domineering, yes, that's true.
Something, altogether different is in your basket.