Today’s debacle, er, I mean hearing in the Trump Unsupreme Court saw the sellout of the Republic by the six traitor “judges” as they worked overtime to come up with arguments that will support at least most of Trump’s claim of absolute presidential immunity, and at a minimum will force the federal district court to work through which of the charges against Trump for fomenting the January 6 insurrection are “chargeable,” while maintaining Trump’s right of appeal within the systemover any decisions made by the district court in that examination, guaranteeing that this case will not go to trial before 2025 at the earliest (and never if Trump wins re-election).
I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, to hear that a Supreme Court with three Trump appointees has gone off the democratic rails into autocracy land! How can this be? Surely there's some loyalty to our base values of freedom, equality, and democracy. Nope. The court is driven by actual traitors to our nation.
Today's utterly disgraceful showing by the conservative justices makes it toweringly important Democrats take back the House and expand our majority in the Senate. Because " Article III judges [Supreme Court justices, and federal circuit and district judges] can be removed from office only through impeachment by the House of Representatives and conviction by the Senate."
And of course we have to turn out the Democratic vote in November, to ensure Democratic control of the House and Senate, and critically, to ensure that Joe Biden wins and Donald Trump loses.
I listened to the whole damned thing today. Why are hypotheticals taking the place of ruling on the narrow issues presented? Why does Alito meander into philosophy, and “ruling for the ages”? Talk about legislating from the bench. I’m pissed. This is a decision on THIS CASE, with narrow parameters, not a policy determination.
What struck me among the conservatives was the presumption of venality which they seem to apply to potential presidents. For two hundred years, we’ve had presidents who have not attempted to prosecute a former president. Even Joe Biden has taken a very hands off approach to Trump. And now the conservatives think this is going to become common place. As is so often the case with modern “conservatives“ I think they are projecting.
The Founding Father’s knew that civility and education in civic life were necessary for democracies to work. They were very conscious of the experience of democracies in antiquity and how partisanship could turn into hard feelings and could ruin democratic government and create autocracy. If we really are convinced that presidents will routinely prosecute their rivals or predecessors, we’ve already lost the game. Frankly, the same goes if we think that presidents will routinely violate criminal laws while in office. If we truly believe that presidents will be so venal and corrupt hereafter, I think the only solution is to be sure that there is no immunity of any sort. Yes, future presidents may feel hemmed in and cautious. But considering the enormous power that is reserved to the office of the president in the Constitution, and as a practical matter through control of prosecutorial offices and the military, I much prefer caution.
These jokers aren’t even trying. They are discussing the best ways to walk on water or to convert straw to gold. There is no such thing as presidential immunity. This is nuts.
Hard agree. I am listening George Conway basically spewing bullshit to Sarah Longwell and he is unconvincing.
I kept one ear on and one eye on the blurbs being dropped on the NY Times, and I think that there are probably 4 who will grant Trump immunity, and two wobbly ones. It might be just Roberts siding with the three Liberals, and this will basically be a shit show.
I think they are going into overtime to a) delay, and b) give trump free rein
So now we have a Court Constituted of five (count 'em FIVE) men who essentially refuse to read or follow he Constitution, Three ladies who place the Constitution as is written The Supreme law of the Land and one lady who strictly reads and follows the Constitution so long as it doesn't interfere with her religious beliefs. I can live with the four ladies, but I know damned well that among the numerous male lawyers and judges are many, many men who hold the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the land. One more good reason to take the appointment of judges out of the hands of politicians.
Yesterday the Justices were looking for ways to prevent pregnant women in pain and terrified they were miscarrying from receiving care in emergency rooms.
Today they are looking for ways to protect Trump from prosecution when he tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
All is not lost, the 4 women on the court didn’t seem to be confused, 4 of the numb nuts totally missed the point, which leaves the swing vote the Chief. He didn’t tip his hand but he is known for being disturbed about the legacy that the “Robert’s Court” will be leaving, as he should be. To most of us this is a slam dunk, 3 of the numb nuts are beyond redemption but Kavanaugh listens to the Chief sometimes, and might be persuaded into a 6-3. Neal Katayl and Lawrence Tribe tonight were hopeful that on the merits the case is clear, that was my view before I heard them speak. Neal was in the courtroom today where he could see the body language which as we know can speak volumes, he also suggested that Chutkan could hold a hearing, as different from a trial and start it very soon thereby bringing into the public record the whole sordid story. I want the insipid bastard to go to jail and if it’s in GA or NY I’ll be fine with that. Andrew Weismann pointed out that the Special Counsel because of the Grand Jury, has far more info to bring than the Jan 6 Committee was able to get, I could go on but it’s been a long day, good night all. 🙏
Let them give Biden immunity - then he can arrest Alito and Thomas for corruption and taking bribes, getting them off the Court until their trials (which could then be delayed as Trump's have been, for months if not years - while two new liberal justices were added to the Court). And he'd have immunity..... Be careful what you wish for.
I have lots of problems with the way our systems of power work in this country. Because they do not work for the majority. The perfect example is this "Supreme" Court. The court is packed by a minority party using bad faith tactics. It is not a legitimate ruling body. Unless you are Mitch McConnell or one of the other paid oligarchs lackeys (Trump and the MAGA cult). The only difference between the USA and Russia is that we pretend we are not corrupt from top to bottom.
Oh, if President Biden would be there to give those anticonstitutional justices this view of their idea. He might voice how wrong it could be for them personally, drawing a starters pistol and firing it twice in the direction of a pair of them. As the soiled underwear cooled, Dark Branden could then explain that if they continued their current path they should expect to see him again "with full presidential immunity and not blanks next time."
Too much Deadwood, too many Clint Eastwood movies watched, too much frustrated impotent anger here. Is that what they want, and does that mean they're winning? By making our thoughts turn towards the violent.
in the middle of a major health crisis for Jubal (one which might not end happily, even in the immediate future), I tried to listen to the arguments. I'd tuned in almost an hour late, but I just flat-out couldn't believe the shit I was hearing.
fuck their ivy league degrees...some of those guys on SCOTUS are moronic scumbags. and that's not even considering the existence of Clarence Thomas.
since nothing else is going to work any time soon, I'm all for "Court-packing." like ANY change of this magnitude, it has pretty much zero chance of happening.
we should have left thirty years ago...and from here, thirty years ago in the US looks almost fucking UTOPIAN.
that I'd gonna die in this country is very, very depressing.
I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, to hear that a Supreme Court with three Trump appointees has gone off the democratic rails into autocracy land! How can this be? Surely there's some loyalty to our base values of freedom, equality, and democracy. Nope. The court is driven by actual traitors to our nation.
Today's utterly disgraceful showing by the conservative justices makes it toweringly important Democrats take back the House and expand our majority in the Senate. Because " Article III judges [Supreme Court justices, and federal circuit and district judges] can be removed from office only through impeachment by the House of Representatives and conviction by the Senate."
https://www.uscourts.gov/statistics-reports/judges-and-judicial-administration-journalists-guide
And of course we have to turn out the Democratic vote in November, to ensure Democratic control of the House and Senate, and critically, to ensure that Joe Biden wins and Donald Trump loses.
Allowing anything else to happen is unthinkable.
I listened to the whole damned thing today. Why are hypotheticals taking the place of ruling on the narrow issues presented? Why does Alito meander into philosophy, and “ruling for the ages”? Talk about legislating from the bench. I’m pissed. This is a decision on THIS CASE, with narrow parameters, not a policy determination.
Where to begin?
What struck me among the conservatives was the presumption of venality which they seem to apply to potential presidents. For two hundred years, we’ve had presidents who have not attempted to prosecute a former president. Even Joe Biden has taken a very hands off approach to Trump. And now the conservatives think this is going to become common place. As is so often the case with modern “conservatives“ I think they are projecting.
The Founding Father’s knew that civility and education in civic life were necessary for democracies to work. They were very conscious of the experience of democracies in antiquity and how partisanship could turn into hard feelings and could ruin democratic government and create autocracy. If we really are convinced that presidents will routinely prosecute their rivals or predecessors, we’ve already lost the game. Frankly, the same goes if we think that presidents will routinely violate criminal laws while in office. If we truly believe that presidents will be so venal and corrupt hereafter, I think the only solution is to be sure that there is no immunity of any sort. Yes, future presidents may feel hemmed in and cautious. But considering the enormous power that is reserved to the office of the president in the Constitution, and as a practical matter through control of prosecutorial offices and the military, I much prefer caution.
These jokers aren’t even trying. They are discussing the best ways to walk on water or to convert straw to gold. There is no such thing as presidential immunity. This is nuts.
Hard agree. I am listening George Conway basically spewing bullshit to Sarah Longwell and he is unconvincing.
I kept one ear on and one eye on the blurbs being dropped on the NY Times, and I think that there are probably 4 who will grant Trump immunity, and two wobbly ones. It might be just Roberts siding with the three Liberals, and this will basically be a shit show.
I think they are going into overtime to a) delay, and b) give trump free rein
So now we have a Court Constituted of five (count 'em FIVE) men who essentially refuse to read or follow he Constitution, Three ladies who place the Constitution as is written The Supreme law of the Land and one lady who strictly reads and follows the Constitution so long as it doesn't interfere with her religious beliefs. I can live with the four ladies, but I know damned well that among the numerous male lawyers and judges are many, many men who hold the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the land. One more good reason to take the appointment of judges out of the hands of politicians.
Yesterday the Justices were looking for ways to prevent pregnant women in pain and terrified they were miscarrying from receiving care in emergency rooms.
Today they are looking for ways to protect Trump from prosecution when he tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
SCOTUS is broken.
I continue to hope for a better outcome, but fear that you are closer to right than I am.
All is not lost, the 4 women on the court didn’t seem to be confused, 4 of the numb nuts totally missed the point, which leaves the swing vote the Chief. He didn’t tip his hand but he is known for being disturbed about the legacy that the “Robert’s Court” will be leaving, as he should be. To most of us this is a slam dunk, 3 of the numb nuts are beyond redemption but Kavanaugh listens to the Chief sometimes, and might be persuaded into a 6-3. Neal Katayl and Lawrence Tribe tonight were hopeful that on the merits the case is clear, that was my view before I heard them speak. Neal was in the courtroom today where he could see the body language which as we know can speak volumes, he also suggested that Chutkan could hold a hearing, as different from a trial and start it very soon thereby bringing into the public record the whole sordid story. I want the insipid bastard to go to jail and if it’s in GA or NY I’ll be fine with that. Andrew Weismann pointed out that the Special Counsel because of the Grand Jury, has far more info to bring than the Jan 6 Committee was able to get, I could go on but it’s been a long day, good night all. 🙏
Let them give Biden immunity - then he can arrest Alito and Thomas for corruption and taking bribes, getting them off the Court until their trials (which could then be delayed as Trump's have been, for months if not years - while two new liberal justices were added to the Court). And he'd have immunity..... Be careful what you wish for.
I have lots of problems with the way our systems of power work in this country. Because they do not work for the majority. The perfect example is this "Supreme" Court. The court is packed by a minority party using bad faith tactics. It is not a legitimate ruling body. Unless you are Mitch McConnell or one of the other paid oligarchs lackeys (Trump and the MAGA cult). The only difference between the USA and Russia is that we pretend we are not corrupt from top to bottom.
Oh, if President Biden would be there to give those anticonstitutional justices this view of their idea. He might voice how wrong it could be for them personally, drawing a starters pistol and firing it twice in the direction of a pair of them. As the soiled underwear cooled, Dark Branden could then explain that if they continued their current path they should expect to see him again "with full presidential immunity and not blanks next time."
Too much Deadwood, too many Clint Eastwood movies watched, too much frustrated impotent anger here. Is that what they want, and does that mean they're winning? By making our thoughts turn towards the violent.
Ok,as Joyce Vance said tonight….”Set your expectations accordingly.”
We all know we cannot depend on SCOTUS to deliver us from evil! 🥵
Keep at it all…do what is within your comfort zone! ✍️📲💲📣🚶🏻
in the middle of a major health crisis for Jubal (one which might not end happily, even in the immediate future), I tried to listen to the arguments. I'd tuned in almost an hour late, but I just flat-out couldn't believe the shit I was hearing.
fuck their ivy league degrees...some of those guys on SCOTUS are moronic scumbags. and that's not even considering the existence of Clarence Thomas.
since nothing else is going to work any time soon, I'm all for "Court-packing." like ANY change of this magnitude, it has pretty much zero chance of happening.
we should have left thirty years ago...and from here, thirty years ago in the US looks almost fucking UTOPIAN.
that I'd gonna die in this country is very, very depressing.
#1 Thomas should have been no where near the court today! Roberts should have had the guts as Chief Justice
to tell him to sit this one out.
As for the others and their
phony baloney hypotheticals?
Where were they on Jan. 6, 2021? Do they honestly think
this bloated lying, cheating,
adulterous child is worth the
destruction of the Constitution they supposedly
revere? How would Barrett feel if he gets into power again and 1 of his official acts
is to have Ketanji Jackson taken out and shot on the
SCOTUS steps?
Let's see what Jack Smith's
next moves are. One can hope he saw this coming and
is prepared.