From today’s electronic edition of The Atlantic (for you non-subscribers) By Adam Serwer The notion that Donald Trump’s supporters believe that he should be able to overthrow the government and get away with it sounds like hyperbole, an absurd and uncharitable caricature of conservative thought. Except that is exactly what Trump’s attorney D. John Sauer argued before the Supreme Court yesterday, taking the position that former presidents have “absolute immunity” for so-called official acts they take in office.
Bottom line.We gotta crush this guy,this vermin, at the polls in November.We now know that the courts aren’t going to save us, the media is certainly not going to save us, the putrid polls aren’t going to save us.WE are going to save us.We had a blue wave in 2020 which will be nothing to our blue tsunami of 2024.We gotta crush MAGA and make them nothing.
Michael Waldman of the Brennan Center: "Trying to overthrow the Constitution and subvert the peaceful transfer of power is not an official act."
This shouldn't have to be said -- but it does have to be said because of what Trump's lawyers are claiming. Their arguments in this case are a blend of Kafka and Catch-22, with A Clockwork Orange playing in the background.
After the qualification by the justices and trump’s attorney that a president could legally, as an official act, order the assassination of a political rival, depending on the circumstances, I would like to ask the court the following hypothetical question (since they are so enamored with hypotheticals).
“Under what circumstances would it be acceptable for President Biden to order the assassination of Mr. trump?” I am so f’ing tired of this nonsense and still haven’t figured out how to explain/apologize to the European part of my family for the ongoing idiocy of the American government right now.
Once again, Tom, a great post. You have said all that needs to be said. I'm still concerned about this election - not because I think Biden will lose, I don't, I think he'll win. What I do think is all those imbecilic MAGAts will take to the streets of every major city in America with all the weapon they own or can beg, borrow, and steal and make January 6 like like child's play. We must be be prepared. The National Guard must be on alert. Unless, trump does us that favor of keeling over and dying.
The CONservative justices on the Supreme Court seem content to argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin while delaying trump’s trials, which is all he really wants, namely to delay, delay, delay. Like all his harebrained schemes to turn over fast cash to delay his financial ruination, it’s delay another day, another day to wheel and deal to keep his ass out of lockup, but now he’s got SCOTUS to run interference for him…Roy Cohn would be so proud of his protege…
‘No previous President has……’! Indeed no previous POTUS was an amoral pathological liar and narcissist who used the highest office in our country to feed his greedy lust to enrich himself!
Repubbies are for all this disgusting subversion of the Constitution, because they are well aware that they support such unpopular positions and lousy policies that they would NEVER get elected on their own merits so they have to cheat...and cheat some more. Republicans, to quote Tolkien, are "apt to evil" and utterly corrupt.
Thanks for the gifted link from the Atlantic.Some of you may have seen this in LA Times, another version of the Trumpification of SCOTUS.
“Crime is a largely private endeavor. Corruption is public. It seeps into the muscle and sinew of democratic society and institutions; it devours from within. The Supreme Court, drunk on arrogated power, cut loose from rudimentary ethics, has been eaten alive by it. But the court is just one plot of a vast terrain that Trump has conquered — not with crime, but corruption.
Crime is when you launch a violent attempt to overthrow the republic. Corruption is when you convince an entire political party to pretend they didn’t watch it live on television, or cower from it inside the Capitol while dozens of police officers were being bludgeoned by the mob.”
Sadly, many voters & non voters do not realize how important the power to choose the SCOTUS appointments becomes & here we are. Looks like the new law is crime pays.
A bit of an off topic point, but how can the three “liberal” justices claim any sort of friendly feeling toward the cretins on that court? “Oh, we all get along just fine,” is what we hear in interviews. If that isn’t a bald faced lie I am sooooo disappointed in them.
Thanks for posting this TC. I was listening to it on NPR and my mind got so mixed up with what these R justices were saying. I guess I couldn't believe my ears at the time. Now that I've read it, I can see where it's leading to. I am so disgusted that this will most likely cause another delay until after the election, I could just throw up!
"Yet a legislature would be strongly I disinclined to impeach, much less convict, a president who could murder all of them with total immunity because he did so as an official act. The same scenario applies to the Supreme Court, which would probably not rule against a chief executive who could assassinate them and get away with it." Ya Think?! These juckers need to be impeached!
All of us can concoct scenarios in which a president can commit a first degree, death penalty level criminal act and argue that it was an official act of a presidency because that's part of the very definition of a dictatorship. SCOTUS kabuki is a sign that at least five robed fools need to resign and take their preening foolery to Off-Off Broadway.
Bottom line.We gotta crush this guy,this vermin, at the polls in November.We now know that the courts aren’t going to save us, the media is certainly not going to save us, the putrid polls aren’t going to save us.WE are going to save us.We had a blue wave in 2020 which will be nothing to our blue tsunami of 2024.We gotta crush MAGA and make them nothing.
Michael Waldman of the Brennan Center: "Trying to overthrow the Constitution and subvert the peaceful transfer of power is not an official act."
This shouldn't have to be said -- but it does have to be said because of what Trump's lawyers are claiming. Their arguments in this case are a blend of Kafka and Catch-22, with A Clockwork Orange playing in the background.
After the qualification by the justices and trump’s attorney that a president could legally, as an official act, order the assassination of a political rival, depending on the circumstances, I would like to ask the court the following hypothetical question (since they are so enamored with hypotheticals).
“Under what circumstances would it be acceptable for President Biden to order the assassination of Mr. trump?” I am so f’ing tired of this nonsense and still haven’t figured out how to explain/apologize to the European part of my family for the ongoing idiocy of the American government right now.
Once again, Tom, a great post. You have said all that needs to be said. I'm still concerned about this election - not because I think Biden will lose, I don't, I think he'll win. What I do think is all those imbecilic MAGAts will take to the streets of every major city in America with all the weapon they own or can beg, borrow, and steal and make January 6 like like child's play. We must be be prepared. The National Guard must be on alert. Unless, trump does us that favor of keeling over and dying.
The CONservative justices on the Supreme Court seem content to argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin while delaying trump’s trials, which is all he really wants, namely to delay, delay, delay. Like all his harebrained schemes to turn over fast cash to delay his financial ruination, it’s delay another day, another day to wheel and deal to keep his ass out of lockup, but now he’s got SCOTUS to run interference for him…Roy Cohn would be so proud of his protege…
‘No previous President has……’! Indeed no previous POTUS was an amoral pathological liar and narcissist who used the highest office in our country to feed his greedy lust to enrich himself!
Repubbies are for all this disgusting subversion of the Constitution, because they are well aware that they support such unpopular positions and lousy policies that they would NEVER get elected on their own merits so they have to cheat...and cheat some more. Republicans, to quote Tolkien, are "apt to evil" and utterly corrupt.
“The Twilight Zone” returned to tv on Thursday. Unfortunately it does not look like a limited series.
Thanks for the gifted link from the Atlantic.Some of you may have seen this in LA Times, another version of the Trumpification of SCOTUS.
“Crime is a largely private endeavor. Corruption is public. It seeps into the muscle and sinew of democratic society and institutions; it devours from within. The Supreme Court, drunk on arrogated power, cut loose from rudimentary ethics, has been eaten alive by it. But the court is just one plot of a vast terrain that Trump has conquered — not with crime, but corruption.
Crime is when you launch a violent attempt to overthrow the republic. Corruption is when you convince an entire political party to pretend they didn’t watch it live on television, or cower from it inside the Capitol while dozens of police officers were being bludgeoned by the mob.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-supreme-court-just-showed-184314188.html
And Jeffrey Epstein is dead during TFG time in the White House. Do you really think that guy killed himself? I don’t—.
Sadly, many voters & non voters do not realize how important the power to choose the SCOTUS appointments becomes & here we are. Looks like the new law is crime pays.
A bit of an off topic point, but how can the three “liberal” justices claim any sort of friendly feeling toward the cretins on that court? “Oh, we all get along just fine,” is what we hear in interviews. If that isn’t a bald faced lie I am sooooo disappointed in them.
Thanks for posting this TC. I was listening to it on NPR and my mind got so mixed up with what these R justices were saying. I guess I couldn't believe my ears at the time. Now that I've read it, I can see where it's leading to. I am so disgusted that this will most likely cause another delay until after the election, I could just throw up!
"Yet a legislature would be strongly I disinclined to impeach, much less convict, a president who could murder all of them with total immunity because he did so as an official act. The same scenario applies to the Supreme Court, which would probably not rule against a chief executive who could assassinate them and get away with it." Ya Think?! These juckers need to be impeached!
All of us can concoct scenarios in which a president can commit a first degree, death penalty level criminal act and argue that it was an official act of a presidency because that's part of the very definition of a dictatorship. SCOTUS kabuki is a sign that at least five robed fools need to resign and take their preening foolery to Off-Off Broadway.