Andrew Bailey, who is running for election to his own term after being appointed by Parsons to replace now Senator Eric Schmitt, has been at pains to prove how tough he is and he clearly has no qualms about sacrificing someone else's life to achieve his ends. Like you, I'm opposed to the death penalty and this is another reason why. Mr. Williams will receive justice from a greater Judge than is available in Missouri as will Mr. Bailey, Mr. Parsons, and the members of the Missouri Supreme Court.
This is precisely why murder by government should be ended for all time. X murders Y so the government murders X. Which murder is justified? Will the government murdering X prevent Z from murdering A? A long statistical evidence says NO. Will the government murdering X bring Y back to life? NO. The purpose of murdering anyone is what? Revenge? Anger? Genocide? Wealth? Greed? To me there is no justifiable purpose to murder. Thank you, Tom, for bringing this to the attention of all. End murder by government, now.
Totally agree, Fay, especially because the powers in government do it in OUR name. We are imperfect and make mistakes; therefore, there is no true justice in taking the life of another except in instances of self-defense and by extension--war.
Yes, because Nam and Iraq were not wars of defense. (I remember someone saying that during those wars the DOD should have been called the Department of War.)
Being "tough on crime" means reducing its frequency, not showing how one can snuff out the life of another. The Innocence Project are doing God's work to stay the hands of government officials whose prejudices are often all too obvious.
Missouri is not alone - 20 years ago Texas executed Cameron Todd Willingham, accused of setting a fire that killed his three children. After the execution there were serious doubts about the evidence, the testimony at his trial and the conduct of the prosecution.....and the cover-up for prosecutorial misconduct still goes on. And so it goes.;
Consider that the states where this happens have a few things in common. They're being run by Republicans, and they're direct descendants of the old Confederacy.
We have a somewhat similar local case.While Crosley Green is now off death row, he has been returned to prison after being out for 2 years as a model citizen.Unlike Marcellus, he will live but it’s still a tragic case.48 Hours has been following his story for years…
And how likely do you think this will happen??
"The only avenues left to pursue are parole or clemency, and we are hopeful that the State will see that no public interest is served by keeping Mr. Green behind bars," Harrison said in a statement. "We will never stop fighting for Mr. Green's freedom. Although our avenues within the court system are exhausted, we believe the State of Florida will do the right thing by Mr. Green."
This is what passes for "justice" in Missouri? I can only repeat the comment I made on Brian Klaas's excellent piece on this execution:
"I've never been able to figure out what the death penalty actually accomplishes, beyond some savings on room and board. It certainly doesn't seem to be a disincentive. I have to admit that my reaction to a couple of executions has been "good!" Those were primarily Timothy McVeigh and a guy called Charles Rodham Campbell who killed the woman he had raped a decade earlier along with her young daughter and a neighbor--all in the most brutal way. I haven't LIKED myself for thinking "good" but it reminds me that all of us are prey to the urge for revenge.
But there was no doubt at all about the guilt of those two. I agree that with our faulty criminal justice system, where prosecutorial misconduct is all too often at the root of a conviction, there should NEVER be an execution where the slightest evidence of innocence is still open. As to whether there should be a death penalty for the clearly guilty of clearly horrendous crimes, I remain agnostic, always remembering that occasional thought "good" and shaking my head at myself.
A court that ignores CONSIDERABLE evidence of innocence, as with Marcellus Williams, is beyond the pale."
The death penalty is definitely not a deterrent. States with th death penalty have higher rates of crime in the categories subject to the death penalty.
I've been opposed to the death penalty ever since I wrote a term paper on it in high school -- and everything I've learned or read since has only confirmed that it's a barbaric practice that has no place in a civilized democracy. I was sickened this morning when I saw that Mr. Williams' execution had taken place. It's an atrocity.
Like the GOP cares about the sanctity of life, particularly that of a person of a different skin color and/ or religious persuasion.
Andrew Bailey, who is running for election to his own term after being appointed by Parsons to replace now Senator Eric Schmitt, has been at pains to prove how tough he is and he clearly has no qualms about sacrificing someone else's life to achieve his ends. Like you, I'm opposed to the death penalty and this is another reason why. Mr. Williams will receive justice from a greater Judge than is available in Missouri as will Mr. Bailey, Mr. Parsons, and the members of the Missouri Supreme Court.
This is precisely why murder by government should be ended for all time. X murders Y so the government murders X. Which murder is justified? Will the government murdering X prevent Z from murdering A? A long statistical evidence says NO. Will the government murdering X bring Y back to life? NO. The purpose of murdering anyone is what? Revenge? Anger? Genocide? Wealth? Greed? To me there is no justifiable purpose to murder. Thank you, Tom, for bringing this to the attention of all. End murder by government, now.
Totally agree, Fay, especially because the powers in government do it in OUR name. We are imperfect and make mistakes; therefore, there is no true justice in taking the life of another except in instances of self-defense and by extension--war.
Agree, Judith, except in the matter of war. Defensive wars yes. Aggressive wars never. So, WW2 and aiding Ukraine yes, Vietnam and Iraq, No
Yes, because Nam and Iraq were not wars of defense. (I remember someone saying that during those wars the DOD should have been called the Department of War.)
Being "tough on crime" means reducing its frequency, not showing how one can snuff out the life of another. The Innocence Project are doing God's work to stay the hands of government officials whose prejudices are often all too obvious.
Missouri is not alone - 20 years ago Texas executed Cameron Todd Willingham, accused of setting a fire that killed his three children. After the execution there were serious doubts about the evidence, the testimony at his trial and the conduct of the prosecution.....and the cover-up for prosecutorial misconduct still goes on. And so it goes.;
Consider that the states where this happens have a few things in common. They're being run by Republicans, and they're direct descendants of the old Confederacy.
Bingo! We have a winnah!
It ain't rocket science! <g>
This is so incredibly tragic. I have no words for this poor man and his family, but people like Trump will make sure that this stuff continues.
The death penalty is an obscenity! What a tragedy.
Do we need any more examples of why the current crop of Republicans should never, ever, ever have the power of life and death over anyone?
Nope.
We have a somewhat similar local case.While Crosley Green is now off death row, he has been returned to prison after being out for 2 years as a model citizen.Unlike Marcellus, he will live but it’s still a tragic case.48 Hours has been following his story for years…
And how likely do you think this will happen??
"The only avenues left to pursue are parole or clemency, and we are hopeful that the State will see that no public interest is served by keeping Mr. Green behind bars," Harrison said in a statement. "We will never stop fighting for Mr. Green's freedom. Although our avenues within the court system are exhausted, we believe the State of Florida will do the right thing by Mr. Green."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/crosley-green-returning-to-florida-prison-years-after-murder-conviction-overturned/
This is what passes for "justice" in Missouri? I can only repeat the comment I made on Brian Klaas's excellent piece on this execution:
"I've never been able to figure out what the death penalty actually accomplishes, beyond some savings on room and board. It certainly doesn't seem to be a disincentive. I have to admit that my reaction to a couple of executions has been "good!" Those were primarily Timothy McVeigh and a guy called Charles Rodham Campbell who killed the woman he had raped a decade earlier along with her young daughter and a neighbor--all in the most brutal way. I haven't LIKED myself for thinking "good" but it reminds me that all of us are prey to the urge for revenge.
But there was no doubt at all about the guilt of those two. I agree that with our faulty criminal justice system, where prosecutorial misconduct is all too often at the root of a conviction, there should NEVER be an execution where the slightest evidence of innocence is still open. As to whether there should be a death penalty for the clearly guilty of clearly horrendous crimes, I remain agnostic, always remembering that occasional thought "good" and shaking my head at myself.
A court that ignores CONSIDERABLE evidence of innocence, as with Marcellus Williams, is beyond the pale."
The death penalty is definitely not a deterrent. States with th death penalty have higher rates of crime in the categories subject to the death penalty.
This is so sad and was avoidable
I've been opposed to the death penalty ever since I wrote a term paper on it in high school -- and everything I've learned or read since has only confirmed that it's a barbaric practice that has no place in a civilized democracy. I was sickened this morning when I saw that Mr. Williams' execution had taken place. It's an atrocity.
Note the the most holy recent convert mr vance, "CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
2267 ... The Church teaches, in the light of
the Gospel, that "the death penalty is
inadmissible because it is an attack on the
inviolability and dignity of the person",
[Francis, Address to Participants in the
A meeting organized by the Pontifical Council
for the Promotion of the New Evangelization,
11 October 2017 and she works with
determination for its abolition worldwide."
"Enforce the death penalty..."
Project 2025 Chapter 17 Department of Justice Page 554.
Of course.
This is when I wish I believed in ghosts, who can return and haunt the truly guilty who sentence him to death.
Bastards.