"Home base of James Dobson's Focus on the Family which preaches "beat the gay out of your kid." Site of Ted Haggard's Vineyard Church - you might remember him from 20 years ago as the preacher calling for the destruction of gays while he was a gay meth-head who hired gay prostitutes when he wasn't calling for their deaths." I didn't reca…
"Home base of James Dobson's Focus on the Family which preaches "beat the gay out of your kid." Site of Ted Haggard's Vineyard Church - you might remember him from 20 years ago as the preacher calling for the destruction of gays while he was a gay meth-head who hired gay prostitutes when he wasn't calling for their deaths." I didn't recall. TC you just put the pieces together for me. Damn. Two of my dearest, most giving friends belong to a Vineyard church - but condemn "homosexuals" to hell. My medical evidence that these people are geneticly made that way was countered with, "No, they are sinning." No, my friends have been brainwashed by a deadly cult.
Even without medical evidence, my response has been “With all the fear, hatred, and potential violence, who in their right mind would deliberately choose to be gay?”
that would seem to be the case, and I know it feels terrible. I remember losing some good friends to the LaRouche deal, back when he was more communist than the other communists and he was called Lynn Marcus. some got out; a few others didn't.
what always bugs me most about these cults is how they end up wasting or destroying lives that would otherwise have been put to perfectly good use.
I have changed my definition of some “best friends.” Cult adherents have no capacity to deprogram on their own. And I stopped caring. Deliberate ignorance is way worse than stupidity
I actually didn't know any of that stuff about Haggard's "peccadillos." I just knew a few musicians who got taken in by his bullshit.
and actually, if I'm not mistaken, one of them was Bob Dylan. if I'm wrong about this, I need to know. are there TWO Vineyard Churches?
and assuming that most Vineyard people know that Haggard is just another gay homophobe, why would they persist in their horseshit? isn't knowledge supposed to empower?
"Home base of James Dobson's Focus on the Family which preaches "beat the gay out of your kid." Site of Ted Haggard's Vineyard Church - you might remember him from 20 years ago as the preacher calling for the destruction of gays while he was a gay meth-head who hired gay prostitutes when he wasn't calling for their deaths." I didn't recall. TC you just put the pieces together for me. Damn. Two of my dearest, most giving friends belong to a Vineyard church - but condemn "homosexuals" to hell. My medical evidence that these people are geneticly made that way was countered with, "No, they are sinning." No, my friends have been brainwashed by a deadly cult.
Even without medical evidence, my response has been “With all the fear, hatred, and potential violence, who in their right mind would deliberately choose to be gay?”
that would seem to be the case, and I know it feels terrible. I remember losing some good friends to the LaRouche deal, back when he was more communist than the other communists and he was called Lynn Marcus. some got out; a few others didn't.
what always bugs me most about these cults is how they end up wasting or destroying lives that would otherwise have been put to perfectly good use.
I have changed my definition of some “best friends.” Cult adherents have no capacity to deprogram on their own. And I stopped caring. Deliberate ignorance is way worse than stupidity
I actually didn't know any of that stuff about Haggard's "peccadillos." I just knew a few musicians who got taken in by his bullshit.
and actually, if I'm not mistaken, one of them was Bob Dylan. if I'm wrong about this, I need to know. are there TWO Vineyard Churches?
and assuming that most Vineyard people know that Haggard is just another gay homophobe, why would they persist in their horseshit? isn't knowledge supposed to empower?
My bull Schitt detector seems to have been operable since I heard a John Bircher celebrate the murder of JFK, 59 years ago this afternoon.
When I looked up "Vineyard Churches" it seemed they are all (over 300 of them?) of the same cloth.
ew...so now I get to be confused...
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