A CNN poll last week reveals that 78 percent of Republicans believe Joe Biden was not legitimately elected, that the election was “stolen” and that they are now forced to live “under occupation” by illegitimate liberals. You cannot actually debunk these Republican accusations of voter fraud. You can present facts that show they aren’t true - which they aren’t. But doing that has no bearing on the belief itself, and will not change their minds
Two words come to mind that I’ve been thinking of.
Infiltration
Messaging and Moderation
I believe the only way is to attract the Republicans that are repulsed in any way by the Trump Party. So, how to get and keep them with Dem policy that does not repulse them? This is where I suppose moderate, centrist—however it is framed, to be logical with something for everyone.
And then…there is the part of me that always will wander into the out of the box thinking. When the climate is lunacy defying logic. I’ve vigorously talked about Dems putting the most strategic effort into their ticket choices when a ticket is for two, as in a governor’s race or presidential race. I’ve talked up a Fried-Crist ticket for next year’s FL governor’s race whose purpose I see as solely defeating DeSantis. Combine forces. Some people listen.
But here is what I believe radical and gave no idea if it can be “done” according to political rules.
Why not a ticket with a strong Dem-Republican duo running for office? Can you imagine a Harris or Biden ticket with Cheney as VP candidate in ‘24? Not that I favor Cheney. I’m just suggesting the strongest possible heavyweight combination to go against anything from the Trump Party.
Or can the Democratic Party in any race nominate a Republican moderate for their candidate? I know it sounds crazy, but I’ve been trying to figure out how to get the 2/3 good guys thinking as one regardless of labels.
And no. I haven’t had even a glass of wine yet today.
Cheers!!!! Thank you, as always, TC. You are a rock star.
And then, too, there is the idea of NPA candidates joining forces with Dem candidates. The fact that there are only Republican and Democratic primaries , that I, as a registered NPA cannot vote in? That’s a gear grinder. Grrrrrr
Well, for right now, Christine, until the crisis is over, I urge you to enlist in the D army. Your primary vote is needed, and you know you're not going to be voting otherwise until things get cleared up.
This sort of stuff is what I'm hoping we're going to see with the new posting feature here.
As to doing "fusion" tickets, that would be something that has to be looked at very closely. The problem about a Presidential and Vice Presidential set of candidates as different as your suggestion of Biden/Cheney is that one votes for the ticket in the expectation that if something happens to the president, the policies the VP who becomes president would follow would at least be close to those of the former president, since that was what one voted for. That wouldn't be possible in this kind of match-up and it would be unfair to Cheney to expect such.
Right now, we ally on the issues we agree on, with the understanding that when the system has been saved, we can go back to arguing policy differences.
There is however, definitely a need to think through how policies to run on are developed, in order to attract the never-Trump voters. That happens to be the subject of the next post.
As soon as I posted Biden-Cheney as an example, I knew it was a stupid example. For starters, I do not believe Pres Biden will run in 2024. And, Cheney is really not in my wheelhouse of policy.
However, what I do recognize is that many Pubsters I speak with that are seriously opposed to the Trump party….it’s like a whole diff convo than before the madness. We agree on so many more things than we have in the past. I think “labels” have encouraged too many tight corners. I agree about careful thought but somehow “combining forces” for good keeps me up some nights thinking.
I asked a few good friends if they would consider becoming a Democrats. They replied, “But I’m not. I think all I can do at this point is change my registration to NPA or seriously start playing in the playground with Dems and Repubs joining forces against the MAGA a**holes.”
I know there is a way we can do this. Labels should not make us slaves to bullsh*t.
Especially to any allegiance fomented by the “Corporate States of Amerika”.
Oh yes, TC. I forget to add the most interesting thing. I mentioned how convos this year have changed as I notice more agreement during debate. I pointed this out a few times to “friend opponents” noting we didn’t argue about things as much anymore. Why is that, I’ve asked. More than one has lamented, “Christine, Republicans do not have policies anymore so I might as well agree with some of yours, damnit.” Hahahahahahahaha. Something to note. Messaging will be important. Our policies must have something for all.
Lonely, not sure I could do that. Somehow I got on a QOP mailing list and every once in awhile I get some trash from one or another wanting me to sign a petition and/or send a donation. Can hardly read them without getting sick! And definitely get ticked that this ends up in my home. Only good thing about it is that it tells me what they are planning. Helps me feel better when I burn it!
Two words come to mind that I’ve been thinking of.
Infiltration
Messaging and Moderation
I believe the only way is to attract the Republicans that are repulsed in any way by the Trump Party. So, how to get and keep them with Dem policy that does not repulse them? This is where I suppose moderate, centrist—however it is framed, to be logical with something for everyone.
And then…there is the part of me that always will wander into the out of the box thinking. When the climate is lunacy defying logic. I’ve vigorously talked about Dems putting the most strategic effort into their ticket choices when a ticket is for two, as in a governor’s race or presidential race. I’ve talked up a Fried-Crist ticket for next year’s FL governor’s race whose purpose I see as solely defeating DeSantis. Combine forces. Some people listen.
But here is what I believe radical and gave no idea if it can be “done” according to political rules.
Why not a ticket with a strong Dem-Republican duo running for office? Can you imagine a Harris or Biden ticket with Cheney as VP candidate in ‘24? Not that I favor Cheney. I’m just suggesting the strongest possible heavyweight combination to go against anything from the Trump Party.
Or can the Democratic Party in any race nominate a Republican moderate for their candidate? I know it sounds crazy, but I’ve been trying to figure out how to get the 2/3 good guys thinking as one regardless of labels.
And no. I haven’t had even a glass of wine yet today.
Cheers!!!! Thank you, as always, TC. You are a rock star.
And then, too, there is the idea of NPA candidates joining forces with Dem candidates. The fact that there are only Republican and Democratic primaries , that I, as a registered NPA cannot vote in? That’s a gear grinder. Grrrrrr
Well, for right now, Christine, until the crisis is over, I urge you to enlist in the D army. Your primary vote is needed, and you know you're not going to be voting otherwise until things get cleared up.
This sort of stuff is what I'm hoping we're going to see with the new posting feature here.
As to doing "fusion" tickets, that would be something that has to be looked at very closely. The problem about a Presidential and Vice Presidential set of candidates as different as your suggestion of Biden/Cheney is that one votes for the ticket in the expectation that if something happens to the president, the policies the VP who becomes president would follow would at least be close to those of the former president, since that was what one voted for. That wouldn't be possible in this kind of match-up and it would be unfair to Cheney to expect such.
Right now, we ally on the issues we agree on, with the understanding that when the system has been saved, we can go back to arguing policy differences.
There is however, definitely a need to think through how policies to run on are developed, in order to attract the never-Trump voters. That happens to be the subject of the next post.
As soon as I posted Biden-Cheney as an example, I knew it was a stupid example. For starters, I do not believe Pres Biden will run in 2024. And, Cheney is really not in my wheelhouse of policy.
However, what I do recognize is that many Pubsters I speak with that are seriously opposed to the Trump party….it’s like a whole diff convo than before the madness. We agree on so many more things than we have in the past. I think “labels” have encouraged too many tight corners. I agree about careful thought but somehow “combining forces” for good keeps me up some nights thinking.
I asked a few good friends if they would consider becoming a Democrats. They replied, “But I’m not. I think all I can do at this point is change my registration to NPA or seriously start playing in the playground with Dems and Repubs joining forces against the MAGA a**holes.”
I know there is a way we can do this. Labels should not make us slaves to bullsh*t.
Especially to any allegiance fomented by the “Corporate States of Amerika”.
Oh yes, TC. I forget to add the most interesting thing. I mentioned how convos this year have changed as I notice more agreement during debate. I pointed this out a few times to “friend opponents” noting we didn’t argue about things as much anymore. Why is that, I’ve asked. More than one has lamented, “Christine, Republicans do not have policies anymore so I might as well agree with some of yours, damnit.” Hahahahahahahaha. Something to note. Messaging will be important. Our policies must have something for all.
I look forward to your ideas about how we can successfully oppose the morass of convoluted tactics by the Trumpist crowd of lemmings.
Here's a dumb idea. What if everyone were to register as Republicans, then vote for the Democratic candidate. Would that take care of voter fraud?
Lonely, not sure I could do that. Somehow I got on a QOP mailing list and every once in awhile I get some trash from one or another wanting me to sign a petition and/or send a donation. Can hardly read them without getting sick! And definitely get ticked that this ends up in my home. Only good thing about it is that it tells me what they are planning. Helps me feel better when I burn it!
I get those messages occasionally as well. They do make me sick as I gather the intel.
Lynell, auto corrected your name. Sorry.
LOL, I thought that was how you were feeling!
Looking forward. Interested in your ideas and opinions on mine. I’ll be responding. Thank you ❤️🤍💙
It seems that there needs to be a way to fight the lies with truth, but it is impossible to reason with unreasonable people.