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I told a friend that I do not find it difficult to be pro-Israel, anti-Hamas, pro-two state solution, pro-cease fire to save the innocent and spring the hostages, and convinced that Netanyahu knew about the attack in advance and wanted it to happen to save his political career.

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As usual, we are on the same paragraph on the same page.

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That might be frightening for you! :)

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Nope. It's proof I'm fully connected to reality.

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Yes, exactly, Tom. Heartbreaking doesn't come close to what is happening. The t-Rump and Neti the Yahoo are on the same page.

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Yes, exactly!

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I completely agree, Michael. Bibi is vile.

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His reelection -- knowing what criminals he and his wife are -- is such a parallel to what's going on here with the orange sadist that it's downright uncanny.

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Michael, the Israeli's knew. Two years before it happened, in 2021. Much like the "bin Laden determined to strike in US" memo, it was ignored. Also, a bit overlooked, but vitally important to the circumstances: There is a 'Unity Government' in place until the 'war' is over. So, for the time being, there is no opposition and whatever Bibi wants is at his whim. Even the Israeli Supreme Court couldn't dissolve the government or Netanyahu at the moment.

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Israel is destroying its own reputation, led by a man who cannot distinguish between the needs of his country and his own desire to stay out of prison.

And this will be the US if Trump is reelected.

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Exactly.

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It is heartbreaking to read this post, Tom. That the Israelis, victims of genocide, might be committing genocide is a painful irony. That the U.S. might be deemed complicit is almost too painful to accept as truth.

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I agree.

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Our response to 9/11 was a tragic mistake that killed many and damaged our international reputation. One thing it never did, however, was put our country in direct danger. Israel’s response to 10/7 is another matter entirely. Netanyahu has orchestrated an outrageously disproportionate attack that puts Israel in grave danger by alienating their supporters and hardening their enemies, many of whom share their borders. Whatever his reasons, this will not end well for Israel and we’ve put ourselves in the middle of it.

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This is a tragedy of epic proportions, on many sides. Hamas can write up one of the most successful terrorist attacks in history, one that brought about a better result for them than they could have imagined. Netanyahu is a fool, a crooked, degenerate fool - it will take Israel generations to live down this travesty, and their security has been compromised for years. It brings to mind a short clip from the famous puppeteer Burr Tillstrom about 70 years ago. I have tried to get a Kinescope of it from Youtube, but it is not there.

The scene is a wall - to the the right is a hand dressed in a black leather glove raised in a fascist salute, to the left a plain uncovered hand. The gloved hand by gesture beats and demeans the naked hand. At some point, the naked hand trembles in rage and attacks the gloved hand, and kills it. There is a period of quiet, and then the naked hand removes the glove from the dead fascist hand and tentatively feels it and then - almost hesitantly - puts on the black glove. Slowly, the hand rises, tentatively as before - and then snaps into a fascist salute.....the circle is complete. "God help us - we won." Netanyahu forgot that prescient comment made by an IDF officer as he gazed at the Wailing Wall after taking Jerusalem in the Six-Day War in 1967. It will come back to bite him - and Israel.

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Whew. Thank you Bruce.

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Christians who are witnessing their religion being hijacked by christo-fascists have a lot in common with Jews like me. An immoral minority is yielding a great deal of power and influence. Sickens me that Israelis elected Netanyahu. And 'we' elected T*****.

How many collected dimes to plant trees in Israel in the 50's and 60's? We were told that the dry, rocky land was unhabitable but the Israelis turned it green. We were not told that the native Arabs didn't want to leave, and that many villages were taken by force.

A deal was brokered and Israel became a nation, seemingly without the consent of the Arabs who lived there. Not the fault of Jewish people. But WTF were they thinking?

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You're right: what's happening here has such a powerful parallel to what's happening is Israel. Over 75% of evangelicals are NOT Christians, and to dare to use that word is obscene. I would say that Bibi, threatening to destroy Gaza, also is obscene in claiming to represent the majority of Jews.

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Excellent question Wendy

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Thank you. A bit of a rant.

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"That such a charge can believably be brought against the government of the state founded as a result of the Holocaust, the genocide that prompted adoption of the UN convention, is deeply ironic." The irony is just beginning. One wonders if Netanyahu will have the Gazans build the rail lines that will enable their "relocation". One also wonders if anyone in the Israeli cabinet has developed a Final Solution for the Gazan Problem and if what we are seeing is its implementation. Like you, I support the actions Israel took in self-defense, and the idea of bringing Hamas to justice, including the bigwigs in their Qatari offices, but that has little or nothing to do with what the IDF is doing now. Time to reroute any weapons headed for Israel to Ukraine and tell Bibi to take that long world cruise he's always wanted.

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I agree, 100%. I’m sure you don’t remember but you sent me in search of info I didn’t have regarding the Israeli right wing about a month ago. This escalation cannot continue. And Ukraine needs support!

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The seriously sad thing is that this has been all so PREDICTABLE since the very start. Hamas played a horrific tune, and Netanyahu has been dancing to it harder and harder. I don't for a minute believe either that Hamas cares a shit about the Palestinian civilians or they ever had whisper of a hope that their agenda of genocide was in any real world realizable by them. So what to do? Provoke the other side into doing IT's bit and lose all sympathy.

I find it interesting that Genocide Convention uses the word "destroy" rather than "kill." What about destruction of a ethnic group by scattering them in bits all over the world isn't in the word "destroy?" How is this different from the way the Romans treated Israel? What the hell was the war with Amalek? Not to mention the Babylonians? The refugee camp the IDF bombed was filled with refugees FROM earlier take-overs by Israel of areas originally Palestinian under the original division after WW II. The bombing of "safe" places the IDF told Palestinians to go to is the final straw.

I am sick of people saying one is an Anti-Semite if one thinks Bibi and the Ultras are out of control. Biden needs to say "no more funding for Israel till Netanyahu and his buddies are out on their ear." Let the people of Israel decide if they need help eradicating Hamas. We certainly have sanctioned Putin and HIS cronies without being accused of being "anti-Orthodox Christian."

With allies like this, who needs enemies?

One factual point I'd like cleared up if anyone knows. At the outset, friends and family of an Israeli friend, all located in Ascalon, were saying that Hamas was able to get its people into Israel on 10/7 because the troops managing the sophisticated defenses between Gaza and Israel had been moved to the West Bank to protect settlers there. They had heard that large stretches of the defense line had NO soldiers patrolling it. Does anyone know if this is true? Has it been established that Israeli intelligence knew of the danger and Bibi ignored it, much as Bush did before 9/11? If so, how is this whole thing not the ultra conservatives sacrificing their OWN people in pursuit of their very own "mountain to the sea" ambition?

"As of 2 June 2023, 139 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine. " (Wikipedia). Just because WE don't doesn't mean this isn't an action very, very like Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Your piece was hard to write. It is even harder to read.

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It's better than trying to believe there is any "news" tonight from Iowa.

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As I have said elsewhere, Iowa is going to nominate a candidate based on who is more adept and determined to use snowshoes.

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The facts outlined in TC's post are mostly unknown to most Americans. In order for public opinion to align with factual descriptions of events, there needs to a much more knowledgeable shared narrative about the Middle East, which is fact-based. For appropriate understanding, this fact-base must reach to the creation of the Zionist movement over a century ago, as there is no break between that and now. Sadly, this is not likely to be taught in the public schools, for multiple reasons. It is also unreasonable to expect a substantial proportion of the population to read Noah Lucas' The Modern History of Israel and several other books with clear-eyed description of events. That presents quite a conundrum. Nevertheless, I applaud TC's effort to speak the facts as he finds them, regardless of the implications, controversy and the huge segment of the population that is caught behind a wall of factual ignorance and the prejudice that results. I rarely offer comment in general society about this topic, as the probability is very high that facts I consider second-nature would be reaching someone for the first time and it would be dismissed as ludicrous, impossible and/or anti-Semitic. I have no doubt that TC's post would be accused as being anti-Semitic by many, while to my reading such a claim is itself ludicrous and absolutely unjustified on any grounds. The direct quotes of so any Israelis in positions of power and influence that are contained in this post, in the aggregate, is very, very striking and allows for no misunderstanding of the message.

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You might find this article as important and powerful as I did , Tom. Thank you for yours. M

https://portside.org/2024-01-11/only-outside-pressure-can-stop-israels-war-crimes?utm_medium=email&utm_source=portside-snapshot

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Thank you Maryanne - I have seen mentions of BDS - mostly in criticizing the "Squad" members who are well aware of it. Very interesting article. Just as so many US citizens are seemingly unaware of our own absolutely horrific issues here - I'm guessing anything to do with Israel & Gaza is pretty much ignored. TMI?

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I certainly found it powerful, and motivating

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Thank you for reading it, Ken!

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It is heartbreaking to read this post too, but I thank you for writing it. Up until now, I've been supportive of the administration's nuanced stance on an impossible situation -- but Netanyahu and his ministers have gone far too far.

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I am strongly supportive of Biden and doubt we could find anyone else currently available who would be as experienced, moral and effective as he is to serve as President, although I have had some points of disagreement with his actions (or more often inaction) at times.

I understood Israel's initial response following October 7 as regrettably necessary and even understood the need for the response to be proportionately stronger than the October 7 losses given the horror and the size of the task, understood the reluctance to risk IDF lives with more risky tunnel clearing precision searches for Hamas, and the repulsion against the Palestinians they saw on public media celebrating the atrocities of October 7.

I understood Biden stating and providing support for Israel at the time but always regretted Biden referring to Netanyahu as "Bibi", as "my friend" and making such an effort to ensure our identification with what anyone with a healthy sense of dread must have suspected was about to happen in Gaza - which, in fact, Hamas intended would happen in Gaza.

I repeatedly hear that Israel is an ally because it's a "rare democracy", especially in that part of the world, but Netanyahu's attempts to eliminate the judiciary as an effective separate power surely brought (at least the future of) their democratic status into question. Netanyahu clearly feels much less identification with Biden than with Trump. I feel frustration and bafflement with Biden's forcing us into the visuals of teaming with an Israel that too frequently mirrors tactics used by Putin, under a leader who embodies many of the same qualities we deplore in our own would be despot, Trump.

We do suffer significant consequences in the world when we lose our moral authority. We fail to support the people of Israel who better deserve our support when we fail to call out Netanyahu and provide the bombs his far right government is using to ensure Israel's neighbors will view them with hatred.

I will vote for Biden, I support Biden, but I do wish Biden had taken a different tack on this one.

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You and I are in vehement agreement on this!

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YES

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I too have put faith in Biden's ' nuanced view '---- urge him, and all citizen's to support BDS

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Unfortunately, the more likely response to that would be to expand the rules and laws being passed to make advocating BDS a crime.

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I confess ignorance: what does BDS mean?

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Read an article regarding 2 "terrorists" ?? who drove a car into a crowd & killed someone & injured others in Israel.. I expect to see retribution upon Palestinians for THAT! They caught the men who were responsible.

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These two are the ones who used to organize the armed assaults on Palestinian villages and now work to be sure the IDF supports the American crazies when they put on their reverse pogroms.

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The guys who are responsible for running down those people (AND children) are IDF helpers? I imagine thats something that will be well-hidden.

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it is just so unbelievably heartbreaking

as I keep saying, I knew Netanyahu was no fucking good before I heard him speak a single word. and, considering how insane some of his buddies are, he's probably very often the "moderate voice" in the room.

I hope to hell that ultimately, a fumigation of some kind will occur because this is insupportable.

the trouble is, if it were to happen tomorrow (and it won't...in this case, assassination isn't even a viable option) many too many people will have died who got to dead because they were in the wrong place. and right now, I'm not sure that Gaza HAS any "right places" to be.

on the other hand, when I hear people chanting about "from the river to the sea" etc., I am most certainly NOT cool with it.

oy.

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Exactly right.

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thanks, Tom.

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“Some people” are saying that Biden should withhold aid to Israel until it stops its current bombing campaign. Could he legally do that by executive action? (Seems Trump was impeached for withholding aid to Ukraine until Zelenskyy did his bidding.) If he could do it, why would he not? I want to believe there are good reasons for how our administration is handling it.

Thanks, TC, for the details you have provided in this post. It looks like the plan all along was to get Gazans to “voluntarily” become refugees yet again. And no Biden-Bibi phone calls since Dec. 23!

Meanwhile, there are complaints that Biden is not campaigning hard enough.

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Having a functioning Congress would allow appropriate direction for any President to follow. Where could we buy one of those?

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I wish someone would come up with a plan. Hamas came in and raped and murdered and pillaged. Israel remains a democracy as evidenced by the months of demonstrations against Bibi’s government and when things settle down they will hopefully get rid of him. However, there is a problem with terrorists living on the border with Israel and the people of Israel must be protected. Instead of condemning all the time, how about a plan?

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I'm afraid we and our representatives can plan all we want but Netanyahu isn't going to be moved by anything he doesn't have to be moved by. He has several times said somewhat placating or "softer" things when with Biden, and then turned around and openly played a different tune while we were essentially right "in the room... we can hear you" and he clearly didn't care. He probably was deliberately showing his people he couldn't be pushed around by the west.

I think the plan in this article suggesting Biden be clearer about his support for the people of Israel rather than for Netanyahu sounds good. Biden has stated support for a "two state solution" which is a plan. Other countries in the area have to buy in to any plan as well, and monitoring has to model on what worked in Germany and Japan to produce peaceful contributing world citizen nations.

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as I like to say, "he's TFF with a Ph.D."

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