He's one of these people common in sales (and politics) who will never miss an opportunity to say in a 1000 words what they can easily say in 100. I guess it worked for him in commercial development, but its not for me. (I spent my career running an tech sales org)
Watch his pressers. Usually all the dumb shit is in the 2nd half after he's ad libbed too long. Still Biden's on a different level of hubris, faux "hail fell well met" B.S., and incoherence. But he always has been, so you cant chalk it up completely to senility.
That's an interesting example of how differently different people will interpret something. I am far less bothered by Trump's wordiness, but note that his tendency to toss out sentence fragments, often not even terribly closely topically related, is more annoying than his gaffs. He produces gaffs at a rate far beyond Biden, but the context makes them stand out less. I don't find Biden to be at fault for hubris and in fact feel like he errs too often on the side of modesty and almost British understatement especially when modern ears have become used to Trump's extreme self aggrandizement and hubris. Where you hear a false joviality I hear genuineness. I don't chalk anything up to senility but acknowledge that Biden, like I myself and probably you also, misspeaks. I have watched both men give speeches and I definitely find Biden to be far more intellectually engaging whereas I find Trump to be operating on a far lower intellectual level although I would be willing to entertain the idea that perhaps he is to some extent meeting his audience where they are. As I say, it's interesting how very differently we see and evaluate these two men.
One difference is Trump will fill the void with another ad lib, while Biden will just blank out. You and I obviously disagree on who has more cogent thoughts, and who is more genuine when they speak. I’m good with that. I’m generally a 51-49 voter anyway, and have been for many years.
The thing perhaps we can and should agree on is the office occupied by either of these people has grown far too powerful in the last several decades for anyone’s good. I don’t subscribe to the “Great Man” theory, and I don’t vote for a messiah nor another parent. Given that in our political duopoly the choices always seem limited to Twiddle Dum and Twiddle Dummer, maybe our motto should be “Make Presidents trivial again”. We’d all be a lot better for it.
By and large correct, slightly different because it’s not a corporate contribution but private. However, they do filter it through and contribute to the problem in the same way, if not more obscurely.
Sorry if I am not a member of your bubble. All apologizes. Maybe if you’d deal with my comments and not your feelings about my comments. Start with the one above about Biden’s news conference. You telling me you cheered and didn’t cringe? You’ve never heard any of his gaffes through the years? “Come on, man”!
I hope the only "bubble" that exists here is we all follow the late Senator Moynihan's advice that "you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." Taking in diverse opinions is the only way to eventually get close to the truth of the matter.
not at all the point. I tend to forgive Biden when he's speaking because, as a lifelong stutterer (DISABLING through adolescence), I know what's involved and I can tell what's going on. if you haven't been there, you can't. period. and, as I believe I've said elsewhere, I have trouble remembering what year my wife died because at times like that, everything specific can get really mixed up.
and unless you're some kind of chaos junkie, I'm not sure what your ultimate point is.
right now, my only obsessive concern is to keep TFF (The Fat Fuck, since you haven't been around that long) OUT of politics. and while I have plenty of concern for the common good, I'm very sure that another four years of that will certainly kill me. so for me, it's the survival instinct.
I understand there are Democrats who think that any young-ish Democrat could beat TFF handily. I wish I could manage to believe that. maybe it's even true, but I just don't think so.
and yes, I suppose that I tolerate my own occasions of snarkiness while I condemn more frequently condemn it in others, but that's human nature. so I try to minimize snark and go for shit a lot more directly. often I fail. as does everyone.
but in your case, I DO think it's overused and gets pretty tired pretty fast.
Sorry we irritate each other, but I see no snark in my comments in this thread. Others? Sure. I’m a weak and petty person, but aren’t we all? (Oops, that’s snark)
I saw it. He was great. He read excerpts from the teleprompter of pages 12 and 215 of the report. Everything else was in his own words. He took questions afterward, mostly gotchas. From Steve Doocy, “How bad is your memory?” Biden: “It is so bad I let you speak.” Which got a laugh. He was about to leave, but he returned to the podium for more questions on the Middle East.
The dimmer members of the public would have preferred a president who was louder and accused the special counsel Hur of conducting a witch hunt. “How dare he!” was his response to Hur’s question about the date of his son’s death. Maybe we will find out how that question had anything to do with the documents found in his garage.
Did you see it? Not sure his performance helped or hurt his cause. But in his defense, he’s been a gaffe machine his whole public life.
Have you ever watched a Trump performance?
Oh yeah. Drives me nuts. You?
He's one of these people common in sales (and politics) who will never miss an opportunity to say in a 1000 words what they can easily say in 100. I guess it worked for him in commercial development, but its not for me. (I spent my career running an tech sales org)
Watch his pressers. Usually all the dumb shit is in the 2nd half after he's ad libbed too long. Still Biden's on a different level of hubris, faux "hail fell well met" B.S., and incoherence. But he always has been, so you cant chalk it up completely to senility.
That's an interesting example of how differently different people will interpret something. I am far less bothered by Trump's wordiness, but note that his tendency to toss out sentence fragments, often not even terribly closely topically related, is more annoying than his gaffs. He produces gaffs at a rate far beyond Biden, but the context makes them stand out less. I don't find Biden to be at fault for hubris and in fact feel like he errs too often on the side of modesty and almost British understatement especially when modern ears have become used to Trump's extreme self aggrandizement and hubris. Where you hear a false joviality I hear genuineness. I don't chalk anything up to senility but acknowledge that Biden, like I myself and probably you also, misspeaks. I have watched both men give speeches and I definitely find Biden to be far more intellectually engaging whereas I find Trump to be operating on a far lower intellectual level although I would be willing to entertain the idea that perhaps he is to some extent meeting his audience where they are. As I say, it's interesting how very differently we see and evaluate these two men.
One difference is Trump will fill the void with another ad lib, while Biden will just blank out. You and I obviously disagree on who has more cogent thoughts, and who is more genuine when they speak. I’m good with that. I’m generally a 51-49 voter anyway, and have been for many years.
The thing perhaps we can and should agree on is the office occupied by either of these people has grown far too powerful in the last several decades for anyone’s good. I don’t subscribe to the “Great Man” theory, and I don’t vote for a messiah nor another parent. Given that in our political duopoly the choices always seem limited to Twiddle Dum and Twiddle Dummer, maybe our motto should be “Make Presidents trivial again”. We’d all be a lot better for it.
The political duopoly has been shaped by dark money. Citizens United has been the US hemlock.
Funny how they thought the threat would come from those evil corporations, and yet it comes from billionaires, foreign and domestic.
The billionaires are billionaires through their ownership of the corporations.
By and large correct, slightly different because it’s not a corporate contribution but private. However, they do filter it through and contribute to the problem in the same way, if not more obscurely.
AND those fucking contributions from those corporations.
question (and if I offend anybody, I'm sorry) but in what ways are you getting off on being a troll here?
are you one of those guys who's gotta gin himself up by making other people angry?
a grievous fault. and grievously hast thou used it.
Sorry if I am not a member of your bubble. All apologizes. Maybe if you’d deal with my comments and not your feelings about my comments. Start with the one above about Biden’s news conference. You telling me you cheered and didn’t cringe? You’ve never heard any of his gaffes through the years? “Come on, man”!
I hope the only "bubble" that exists here is we all follow the late Senator Moynihan's advice that "you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." Taking in diverse opinions is the only way to eventually get close to the truth of the matter.
not at all the point. I tend to forgive Biden when he's speaking because, as a lifelong stutterer (DISABLING through adolescence), I know what's involved and I can tell what's going on. if you haven't been there, you can't. period. and, as I believe I've said elsewhere, I have trouble remembering what year my wife died because at times like that, everything specific can get really mixed up.
and unless you're some kind of chaos junkie, I'm not sure what your ultimate point is.
right now, my only obsessive concern is to keep TFF (The Fat Fuck, since you haven't been around that long) OUT of politics. and while I have plenty of concern for the common good, I'm very sure that another four years of that will certainly kill me. so for me, it's the survival instinct.
I understand there are Democrats who think that any young-ish Democrat could beat TFF handily. I wish I could manage to believe that. maybe it's even true, but I just don't think so.
and yes, I suppose that I tolerate my own occasions of snarkiness while I condemn more frequently condemn it in others, but that's human nature. so I try to minimize snark and go for shit a lot more directly. often I fail. as does everyone.
but in your case, I DO think it's overused and gets pretty tired pretty fast.
just saying.
Sorry we irritate each other, but I see no snark in my comments in this thread. Others? Sure. I’m a weak and petty person, but aren’t we all? (Oops, that’s snark)
I saw it. He was great. He read excerpts from the teleprompter of pages 12 and 215 of the report. Everything else was in his own words. He took questions afterward, mostly gotchas. From Steve Doocy, “How bad is your memory?” Biden: “It is so bad I let you speak.” Which got a laugh. He was about to leave, but he returned to the podium for more questions on the Middle East.
The dimmer members of the public would have preferred a president who was louder and accused the special counsel Hur of conducting a witch hunt. “How dare he!” was his response to Hur’s question about the date of his son’s death. Maybe we will find out how that question had anything to do with the documents found in his garage.